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Re:Elon Musk drops suit against OpenAI and Sam Altman by impossiblefork on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @06:56PM (#40652623)
Liberalism is free trade, property ownership, etc. Many people are excluded from that-- it's an ideology where both the rich and the poor are forbidden from sleeping under bridges.

Of course it's alienating to ordinary people.

This is why you got movements like social liberalism, to try to temper the madness and turn into something less socially useless, but everything moves back towards its origin, so here in Europe even once reasonably decent social liberal parties have now decayed into liberal parties, into the inherently alienating position that is liberalism's core.

Re:Elon Musk drops suit against OpenAI and Sam Altman by bee_rider on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @11:01PM (#40654023)
That, of course, isn’t what people mean when they say liberal in the US context, here it just means social liberal or cultural liberal. In our defense, liberal economics are the ground state in the US, we don’t think to name them for the same reason a fish doesn’t think to name water.
Re:Elon Musk drops suit against OpenAI and Sam Altman by impossiblefork on Saturday June 15, 2024 @07:44AM (#40689151)
Yes, I suppose which of the parties is the free-trade and property party to the highest degree has gone back and forth, and it's mixed up with all sorts of weirdness.

I suppose now neither of them is a free party anymore at least, and I suppose both are landowner's parties.