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Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by bedobi on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @11:31AM (#40647437)
I started the thread, I am and grew up in euro, have lived in Japan and North America a well. It's not a fantasy, it's lived experience and hard data.
Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by constantcrying on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @11:36AM (#40647518)
I have never entered the US, but have been to many of the larger European cities. None of them came close to what Americans on /r/fuckcars are fantasizing about, when they talk about Europe.

If they post pictures it is almost always of the few square kilometers of the city where millionaires and shops for millionaires are located. The rest of the city is full of streets and cars are everywhere. The one difference is that there are trains, which usually are awful places but get you from A to B.

Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by bedobi on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @12:09PM (#40648014)
It's true all of Europe doesn't look like that, but the difference is real and shouldn't be underestimated. Even in most European single family home suburbs, you can usually walk, bike or transit to nearby schools, supermarket, the odd cafe and restaurant. Ie what's being said isn't that Europe is devoid of cars, it's that it isn't exclusively designed for cars to the point where you cannot exist without one.

In a huuuuge share of the US, this is not the case. There are no sidewalks, you have to travel extremely far to get to anything, and cross highways or even freeways doing it. There's no transit. There's no village center or train station around a natural focal point, just giant strip malls that are few and far between. So EVERYONE. MUST. DRIVE. It is the ONLY option for every trip and errand, there is no alternative. This is insane.

Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by nathanasmith on Saturday June 15, 2024 @04:15PM (#40692405)
>There are no sidewalks, you have to travel extremely far to get to anything, and cross highways or even freeways doing it. There's no transit. There's no village center or train station around a natural focal point, just giant strip malls that are few and far between. So EVERYONE. MUST. DRIVE. It is the ONLY option for every trip and errand, there is no alternative. This is insane.

I've lived in Jacksonville, Nashville, Atlanta, and Phoenix, none of which are known for having the greatest walkable urban infrastructure but none of what you've said here is true (other than lack of a train station) of any of them. Where did you live in the US where there are no sidewalks and you had to cross freeways to get to anything? And no transit? Not even a city bus? Or does that not count.