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Re:Private Cloud Compute: A new frontier for AI privacy in t... by ls612 on Monday June 10, 2024 @11:51PM (#40642118)
What Apple can do (and appears to be doing throughout its products) is not have the data requested. Or not have it in cleartext. NSLs can't request data that doesn't exist anymore.
Re:Private Cloud Compute: A new frontier for AI privacy in t... by ein0p on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @01:02AM (#40642539)
LLMs work on clear text inputs
Re:Private Cloud Compute: A new frontier for AI privacy in t... by ls612 on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @01:06AM (#40642569)
But the setup is that Apple doesn't know which cleartexts currently being processed are associated with which user meaning that even live surveillance can't work without surveilling everybody, making any such program very quickly discoverable. Read the section about non-targetability in the link.

Apple deserves credit for correctly analyzing their threat model and designing their system accordingly.

Re:Private Cloud Compute: A new frontier for AI privacy in t... by ein0p on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @02:27AM (#40643158)
I’m willing to concede that Apple’s system is the best designed of the bunch. I’m not willing to call it “private”, however, if it processes unencrypted inputs in the jurisdiction of a nation state with pervasive government surveillance.
Re:Private Cloud Compute: A new frontier for AI privacy in t... by ls612 on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @07:54PM (#40664452)
I agree from a technical perspective actually. What this system does to counteract that is use a social strategy. The government couldn't break "this specific system" without a lot of people knowing, and that makes it very likely that they would be discovered. And not in a vague way but in a very specific one.

Would this work in some authoritarian countries? No and Apple doesn't care. Would it work in a western one? Maybe.