Re:Twenty-something job seekers: Quit whining and get creative
by kylebrown on Monday June 04, 2012 @11:33AM
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One can try not to think, but denial is counter-productive. I imagine that the job market in Seattle in 1994 was in fact a lot rosier than it is today, and charts will confirm that. You don't think there's more graduates with degrees in Environmental Engineering today, swarming all related niches (because the unemployment rate is also higher)? The data confirms it.
Those kind of lucky breaks (hire you first and then pay you while you learn?!) just don't come around like they used to. Things were obviously not tough all over, like they are now. There's a mass of empirical evidence to show this. I don't why our elders continue to deny it (to their own future detriment!) other than so they can bask in their own self-satisfaction.
Not to say that time-tested advice doesn't apply. It does, but it just doesn't work like it used to!
Re:Twenty-something job seekers: Quit whining and get creative
by mistercow on Monday June 04, 2012 @01:23PM
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>Surely there's nothing wrong with speaking from experience though?
Speaking from experience is fine until you start acting like your single experience can be taken as anything more than an interesting anecdote. This presumption is implied when one uses aggressive phrases like "quit whining".
As an example, I came out of school with a Mechanical Engineering degree in 1994, in Seattle. The other notable thing about Seattle in 1994 is the Boeing was one of its cyclical "Hey, let's lay off another 10,000-odd engineers and maybe hire them back in a few years" phases. That meant that for every job I'd interview for, the second round would be me and half a dozen Boeing engineers who'd been doing that exact job for ten years but were now willing to take an entry level salary so that the bank didn't take their house. I don't imagine it was a whole lot rosier than the job market you describe today.
After the better part of a year's worth of that same interview a couple times a week, I followed the advice we just read in the article. I found a niche at a place doing something sorta related to my degree (Environmental Engineering), using a tiny sliver of the stuff I'd learned by accident at university to convince them I was worth hiring (Fortran, which their models were written in). Then I learned how to do the stuff I was hired to do. Then I spent 4 years migrating from there to writing their first web apps, and only then did I take off for a software shop and start down the road to where I can now antagonistically respond in a self-satisfied manner.
So yeah, things were (and are, and will continue to be) tough all over. Try not to think you're in some special circumstance where time-tested advice doesn't apply to you.