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Re:1984: How did the Isle of Jura help shape Orwell's master... by anotherQuarter on Sunday June 09, 2024 @10:06PM (#40629447)
I have fond memories of the time I visited Jura. It’s an island of 100 people and 10,000 deer. When we stayed at the one hotel there we had an amazing hostess who showed us to our room and then when we went down to the (only) bar was our bartender and later at the restaurant she was our server. It was an amazing small community. There is also a museum in town dedicated to people who have lived on the island. My favorite description of one women was “she was known for causing general mischief on the island”. I didn’t realize that Orwell lived there until I visited. I didn’t understand how that place would inspire 1984 but this article gives another perspective of how the environment may have affected him that i never considered.
Re:1984: How did the Isle of Jura help shape Orwell's master... by 082349872349872 on Monday June 10, 2024 @03:34AM (#40631133)
I don't think that place inspired 1984; reverse the arrows: the place was a result of the thinking that led to 1984's "Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism".

Orwell had tried joining the proletariat for their franchise, but Blair's habitus always gave him away (see "The Spike"). His nonfiction ("Ode to...", "Atom bomb...") suggests he had no reason to believe that Airstrip One would also not turn Stalinesque (at worst), and his upbringing gave him every reason to believe it was already run like an English boarding school in macrocosm; either way Jura would've been an escape.

(if one reads Maugham's Sanatorium as a reflection on the small world of great power helvetic intelligence and counter-intelligence during the Great War* [cf https://www.srf.ch/play/tv/sendung/davos-1917?id=04afcde8-77... ], then could Jura "for one's health" have been a better way to come in from the cold than a large, formal, institution?)

* I was just reading something the other day where Swiss authorities had at first, upon discovery of an arms cache, thought they'd uncovered an Indian Anarchist plot to arm Italian Anarchists, only to eventually discover there was an English double agent fomenting the whole thing...

Re:1984: How did the Isle of Jura help shape Orwell's master... by vinnyvichy on Monday June 10, 2024 @05:56AM (#40631858)
[0] had a Luger with him at all times, according to a darker retrospective from 2019

Any theories where Julia is named after Jura? What would that make of Kilbride?

[0]https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/1984-author-george-orwell-fear...

Re:1984: How did the Isle of Jura help shape Orwell's master... by 082349872349872 on Monday June 10, 2024 @06:24AM (#40632010)
Julia is obviously "Jeff's uncommon Lisp is acrostical" (therefore, in the character's case: "Jeff's uncommon Lisp is anachronistic"?)
Re:1984: How did the Isle of Jura help shape Orwell's master... by vinnyvichy on Monday June 10, 2024 @09:12AM (#40633267)
I spy a more satisfying response-riff to that thought:

http://www.newconpress.co.uk/info/book.asp?id=243&referer=Hp

See "Content"; I am looking forward to having it fire all my 1984 cylinders, Julia/Jura getting the manic pixie treatment they deserve etc.

EDIT:I accept that it might hard to take Jura, as a concept, much further than very good Scotch.

(Professional fanfic)

BtW this is the KM who wrote the preface to his buddy Iain Banks' poetry release. So on the one hand Banks inspired (right arrow) Elon and on the other end in KM's stories it's the postSoviets(+Linux) who dominate future space exploration, due to socialist virtu (left arrow)

(Apologies to Bezanson)

Re:1984: How did the Isle of Jura help shape Orwell's master... by neilv on Monday June 10, 2024 @10:06AM (#40633838)
Cover art is Jennifer Lawrence meets John Christopher's Tripods?
Re:1984: How did the Isle of Jura help shape Orwell's master... by 082349872349872 on Monday June 10, 2024 @02:16PM (#40636421)
Hmmm... haven't thought about those in a long time, even though I was looking at the "White Mountains" earlier today.

Seems as if EAB would've agreed his frame story could've been handled a bit better[0], but as he did go to a sanatorium once prescribed, I guess my imputation of paranoia driving choice of island over institution had been apophenic[1]. Maybe he was just into it because all the rich kids at St Cyprian's used to summer (ca.1915?) in exotic[2] Scotland?

Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9Mv6gXqADM

[0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1360500/#:~:tex...

[1] when did Sonia start working with IRD, anyway?

[2] two bits of information (decent bits, so we shan't mention Oliver Mellors!) as to what constituted "exotic" in postwar Britain: (a) Spaghetti Trees [1957], and (b) the first James Bond [1953] is set all the way across the Channel in "Royale-les-Eaux".

Re:1984: How did the Isle of Jura help shape Orwell's master... by vinnyvichy on Monday June 10, 2024 @08:15PM (#40640839)
Not to discourage the apophenia, but "Orwell >>> Galois >>> we" in terms of gambling nous, might explain the difficulty of modelling their moves.
Re:1984: How did the Isle of Jura help shape Orwell's master... by 082349872349872 on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @03:38PM (#40650555)
odd, Petsinis' Galois was left-handed, but the record of the autopsy describes a right-hander: https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k267462/f100.item

(do they describe him as having had a normally small cerebellum, or abnormally?)

Re:1984: How did the Isle of Jura help shape Orwell's master... by vinnyvichy on Thursday June 13, 2024 @12:06AM (#40665826)
Hmmm perhaps you refer to studies such as the following?

https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation?paperid=38488....

Re:1984: How did the Isle of Jura help shape Orwell's master... by 082349872349872 on Thursday June 13, 2024 @12:37AM (#40665998)
Indeed, although I think in Petsinis' case it was just a moment of inattention (bonus Homer). Given that I read very few XIX autopsy reports, it's completely unclear to me if they're giving a standard report or drawing attention to something. (it's even unclear to me why they should have been paying so much attention to the cranium when the problem clearly lay in the abdomen? early phrenology?)
Re:1984: How did the Isle of Jura help shape Orwell's master... by vinnyvichy on Monday June 10, 2024 @08:19PM (#40640858)
Current-day JL; could be H G Wells too.
Re:1984: How did the Isle of Jura help shape Orwell's master... by 082349872349872 on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @01:38AM (#40642787)
in which case she ought to have, not a quiver, but tubercular lungs?