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Re:Economic Termites Are Everywhere: stats hide the experien... by AnimalMuppet on Sunday June 09, 2024 @03:51PM (#40627051)
Yeah. For normal people, "I am the economy". That is, I don't care about the national economy or the world economy. I don't care about how many widgets get produced this month. What difference does it make to me if the national economy is doing great, but I'm going broke? I care whether I can afford to buy what I need this month. To me, that's the economy.

(With "I" meaning the average person, not me personally.)

Re:Economic Termites Are Everywhere: stats hide the experien... by gruez on Sunday June 09, 2024 @04:16PM (#40627244)
Yet as a whole, people estimate the nation's economy worse than their own. Clearly this can't be the case if everyone thinks their economic circumstances are the nation's economic circumstances, because if that were the case you'd expect them to align on a national basis.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/05/23/views-of-the...

Re:Economic Termites Are Everywhere: stats hide the experien... by AnimalMuppet on Sunday June 09, 2024 @05:04PM (#40627609)
I think you could (almost) build a consistent picture: Economic output is doing well, a lot of people are working, but the rich are taking all the gains and the workers are just barely surviving.

The problem is, if that's the case, who's buying all the output? It's not just going into warehouses. So people must be able to buy all this stuff.

An alternate view would be that people have been buying all this stuff, mostly on credit, and are realizing that they're maxed out on credit, especially if interest rates rise.

But ultimately, the "sentiment" view matters. It may not matter as much as the actual output numbers, but it matters, because people are not purely "homo economicus". They make decisions on how they feel about how things are going, and if they think things are going badly, they buy less, and eventually that influences the actual figures.

Re:Economic Termites Are Everywhere: stats hide the experien... by CPLX on Sunday June 09, 2024 @05:36PM (#40627824)
> I think you could (almost) build a consistent picture: Economic output is doing well, a lot of people are working, but the rich are taking all the gains and the workers are just barely surviving.

You figured it out.

Maybe replace "the rich" with "those with capital and market power" but that's mostly a distinction without a difference.

Re:Economic Termites Are Everywhere: stats hide the experien... by AnimalMuppet on Sunday June 09, 2024 @06:20PM (#40628100)
Could you now address the objection? If that's the case, who's buying all the output?
Re:Economic Termites Are Everywhere: stats hide the experien... by CPLX on Sunday June 09, 2024 @08:33PM (#40628837)
Those to whom the returns on capital are accruing.

Again none of this stuff is super groundbreaking. Shantytown hills overlooking mansions surrounded by high walls and barbed wire is kind of a global norm.

As America edges closer it only feels unfamiliar to those of us that have become accustomed to something different.

Re:Economic Termites Are Everywhere: stats hide the experien... by AnimalMuppet on Monday June 10, 2024 @08:22AM (#40632794)
I don't believe it.

Take cars specifically. The US makes 11 million new cars a month. If regular people can't afford them, are billionaires really buying up all those cars? How many new cars does a billionaire need? Where are they parking them all?

I can believe your explanation with money. I can even believe it with houses, with rich people buying up houses as an investment. But I can't believe it with cars. Regular people are buying new cars, and regular people think they can't afford new cars. How do we make sense of that?

Re:Economic Termites Are Everywhere: stats hide the experien... by CPLX on Monday June 10, 2024 @01:23PM (#40635839)
Because cars wear out and are scrapped? Not sure where you're going with this.