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Re:Civil society in Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland targeted w... by betaby on Friday May 31, 2024 @11:44AM (#40536600)
"Polish media reports say Poland purchased Pegasus in 2017, using money from the so-called Justice Fund, which is meant to help the victims of crimes and to rehabilitate criminals." from the older 'scandals'.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/short_news/polish-...

At that moment it's safe to assume that all EU govs use Pegasus against the public in general.

Re:Civil society in Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland targeted w... by eigenket on Friday May 31, 2024 @01:36PM (#40538030)
I don't think it's reasonable to assume all EU governments (or even all Polish governments) will act the same as PiS do/did.
Re:Civil society in Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland targeted w... by betaby on Friday May 31, 2024 @01:41PM (#40538081)
I think it is in fact reasonable. Private persons are unlikely to have means/connections to acquire Pegasus while victims are all around EU, see another link below.

https://www.dw.com/en/spain-court-reopens-investigation-in-p...

Re:Civil society in Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland targeted w... by eigenket on Friday May 31, 2024 @01:45PM (#40538127)
There are not many examples of the government hacking opposition politicians an en leaking damaging material to friendly "news" agencies for political gain

https://notesfrompoland.com/2023/12/18/polish-state-tv-order...

Law and justice are a particularly extreme example.

Re:Civil society in Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland targeted w... by peterfirefly on Friday May 31, 2024 @02:30PM (#40538714)
Didn't Merkel have the Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz spy on her political opposition?
Re:Civil society in Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland targeted w... by eigenket on Friday May 31, 2024 @03:12PM (#40539126)
I haven't seen anything about that, but if she did then thats disapointing
Re:Civil society in Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland targeted w... by Etherlord87 on Friday May 31, 2024 @06:35PM (#40541038)
AFAIK all uses of Pegasus were conducted after an agreement (a warrant) was issued from Polish courts - which were in opposition to the PiS government. If I'm right about this, doesn't it mean this particular affair unnecessarily demonizes PiS?

Either way, I think it's very reasonable to *do* assume the worst of governments - as in we should strive to design the system to be able to withstand as much malice from people in power as possible.

Re:Civil society in Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland targeted w... by eigenket on Saturday June 01, 2024 @02:30AM (#40543391)
I don't think it's accurate to say the courts were in opposition to the PS government. PiS appointed lots of their own judges in their years in power who often decided along lines that PiS wanted. The biggest example of course being the Constitutional Tribunal.

Sure there were judges who opposed PiS, but there were plenty who did not. This guy, who is now in Belarus, is an example of one of PiS's pet judges

https://notesfrompoland.com/2024/05/06/polish-judge-flees-to...

Re:Civil society in Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland targeted w... by Etherlord87 on Saturday June 01, 2024 @04:08AM (#40543812)
Sure, but - again AFAIK - the judges issuing the warrants weren't the judges appointed by PiS.
Re:Civil society in Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland targeted w... by eigenket on Saturday June 01, 2024 @09:33AM (#40545611)
I have seen no evidence either way on that.