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Re:Meaningful Nonsense: How I generate sentences by amygoodchild on Thursday May 30, 2024 @04:24AM (#40521375)
Thanks! I'm the artist and it's nice to see this recognised. I have been worried with this project that people might think I should just use a LLM, but I think there is value in how controllable and explainable this is.
Re:Meaningful Nonsense: How I generate sentences by 082349872349872 on Thursday May 30, 2024 @04:30AM (#40521400)
Meaninglessness is liminal because the context is shared.

(for the opposite direction, see https://ganelson.github.io/inform-website/ )

Re:Meaningful Nonsense: How I generate sentences by ryanjshaw on Thursday May 30, 2024 @12:10PM (#40525361)
> Meaninglessness is liminal because the context is shared.

Can somebody explain this or is it one of the generated sentences in question?

Re:Meaningful Nonsense: How I generate sentences by 082349872349872 on Thursday May 30, 2024 @02:44PM (#40527251)
It could be one of the generated sentences, but I composed it via wetware:

Meaninglessness (because a product of a random process)

is liminal (because it's betwixt and between, neither meaningful[0] nor meaningless[2])

because the context is shared (the vocabulary for the generator —the context shared between we meaningful creatures and the stochastic parrot program— are constraints, especially chosen by the artist to be evocative no matter how they are combined)

[0] compare SLN:

  Just like the white winged dove
  Sings a song
  Sounds like[1] she's singing
  Ooh ooh ooh
[1] there are many references to animal sounds sounding like human speech; here are two:

Ajax in the Little Iliad —having turned Athena's grey eyes green by managing to tank without needing her buffs— is driven mad[2] by her shortly after he loses a prize to Odysseus: he interprets the greek cows, instead of saying "moo", as saying "μου" (mine), each claiming the prize for herself, not for him ... and so he kills them all.

In a less sanguine vein, Pechkin the Postman also has a nervous breakdown after thinking Khvatayka the Jackdaw is continually asking him "kto tam?" (both a fairly corvidesque sound and "who's there?" in russian) despite his efforts to explain that he's the postman bringing a magazine.

[2] in The Eden Express (1975), Mark Vonnegut points out that maybe he could've figured out he was going schizophrenic, if only he'd stopped to notice that everything had suddenly become meaningful.

Re:Meaningful Nonsense: How I generate sentences by thomastjeffery on Thursday May 30, 2024 @04:45PM (#40528501)
Inform looks very interesting, though I will apparently have to do a lot more reading before I can totally grok what it is and why.

I've been working on an idea I am calling the Story Empathizer. The struggle I'm having is that my idea is so abstract, it's hard to write an instance of it.

    story = meaning + expression
In the world of computing, context is liminal. We write explicit answers to "what?" and "how?", and call them "data" and "algorithms". Those answers are entirely meaningful: defined. Context, on the other hand, is ethereal: untouchable. Context is the answer to "why?". It exists in our code like the waters of a river exist in the walls of the Grand Canyon: only present at time of writing. We encode our intentions into software just like a river carves time into earth. There is no inverse function: no intention decoder.

When we communicate with natural language, we start without shared context. If I want to be understood, I must share my context. I do that by writing a second story: a backstory. The reader uses that backstory to define the meaning of my expression.

With shared context, we aren't limited to reading. We have all the parts of the equation, and can use them to read, write, and empathize.

    read: meaning = story - expression
    write: expression = story - meaning
So what if we could move this process out of our brains, and into a computer? Well, that's the dream, anyway..
Re:Meaningful Nonsense: How I generate sentences by Gys on Thursday May 30, 2024 @06:45AM (#40522195)
How did you generate the written text? Or is it actually hand written? It seems by a left handed female ;)
Re:Meaningful Nonsense: How I generate sentences by amygoodchild on Thursday May 30, 2024 @07:13AM (#40522371)
It's also coded in javascript but based off my own handwriting (and I am indeed a left handed woman).

I have another article about it here - https://www.amygoodchild.com/blog/cursive-handwriting-in-jav...

Re:Meaningful Nonsense: How I generate sentences by Tempest1981 on Thursday May 30, 2024 @11:07AM (#40524648)
Discussed recently:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40408291 (10 days ago)

Re:Meaningful Nonsense: How I generate sentences by liamwire on Thursday May 30, 2024 @07:12AM (#40522368)
See their previous blog post, which also got featured on HN: https://www.amygoodchild.com/blog/cursive-handwriting-in-jav...
Re:Meaningful Nonsense: How I generate sentences by gknoy on Thursday May 30, 2024 @02:18PM (#40526958)
I'm sure you've heard this many times, but thank you for sharing these blog posts. You're doing some _really cool_ stuff, and it's a treat to be able to read about the depth to which you've thought of these problems, and how creatively you've been solving them.
Re:Meaningful Nonsense: How I generate sentences by amygoodchild on Thursday May 30, 2024 @02:30PM (#40527128)
Can't ever hear it enough tbh :)
Re:Meaningful Nonsense: How I generate sentences by maicro on Thursday May 30, 2024 @04:05PM (#40528002)
I really want that first large image as a poster, even though part of me flinches every time I read it and see "dichotomy" as one of three items...
Re:Meaningful Nonsense: How I generate sentences by ramijames on Thursday May 30, 2024 @04:38PM (#40528393)
I adore the work that you're doing. Keep going.
Re:Meaningful Nonsense: How I generate sentences by pacaro on Thursday May 30, 2024 @04:51PM (#40528571)
This is great, both the text generation and the diagrams.

Have you considered using wordnet to explore the space of related words? IIRC they encoded all sorts of relationships, from the obvious like synonyms and antonyms, to less common like metonyms etc.

Re:Meaningful Nonsense: How I generate sentences by amygoodchild on Thursday May 30, 2024 @05:59PM (#40529192)
Yeah I used a different model but there is a section about exploring semantic relationships.