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Re:Former FTX Executive Ryan Salame Sentenced to 90 Months i... by robertlagrant on Tuesday May 28, 2024 @06:35PM (#40506331)
I thought the main problem was that FTX commingled regular deposits (i.e. normal people's funds) with at-risk investments. I.e. they're mostly guilty because there wasn't a wall protecting the deposits.
Re:Former FTX Executive Ryan Salame Sentenced to 90 Months i... by WrongAssumption on Tuesday May 28, 2024 @06:49PM (#40506421)
If I have a pile of money, and add your money to my pile and go to the blackjack table put it all on black without your consent. That’s theft.
Re:Former FTX Executive Ryan Salame Sentenced to 90 Months i... by aidenn0 on Tuesday May 28, 2024 @07:20PM (#40506634)
> ...go to the blackjack table put it all on black...

I'm guessing you're not very familiar with games of chance.

Re:Former FTX Executive Ryan Salame Sentenced to 90 Months i... by jancsika on Tuesday May 28, 2024 @09:31PM (#40507351)
Well, neither was FTX, so how is this not apt? :)
Re:Former FTX Executive Ryan Salame Sentenced to 90 Months i... by mbreese on Tuesday May 28, 2024 @10:57PM (#40507973)
Or they didn’t understand the game they were playing… sounds like a perfectly mixed metaphor to me.
Re:Former FTX Executive Ryan Salame Sentenced to 90 Months i... by soulofmischief on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @12:34AM (#40508508)
Personally, I put it all on jack. He seems like a trustworthy fella.
Re:Former FTX Executive Ryan Salame Sentenced to 90 Months i... by robertlagrant on Tuesday May 28, 2024 @07:24PM (#40506662)
This seems irrelevant to my comment.
Re:Former FTX Executive Ryan Salame Sentenced to 90 Months i... by NiloCK on Tuesday May 28, 2024 @08:10PM (#40506890)
The implicit connection is that some of the unprotected deposits that were gambled away belonged to rich people.
Re:Former FTX Executive Ryan Salame Sentenced to 90 Months i... by robertlagrant on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @03:21AM (#40509368)
Well, it's just a declaration of what theft is, phrased as though I don't know what theft is. Which is wrong, and also doesn't seem relevant.
Re:Former FTX Executive Ryan Salame Sentenced to 90 Months i... by kosievdmerwe on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @07:02AM (#40510580)
Not quite true a lot of people seem to think that if you won the roulette spin that you committed no foul. At least in terms of how they argued SBF should be sentenced.

So as you said the commingling was a large part of their crime.

But they did commit a bunch of straight up theft of customer funds to pay for marketing, political donations or stuff like houses for the employees.

Re:Former FTX Executive Ryan Salame Sentenced to 90 Months i... by code_duck on Tuesday May 28, 2024 @08:06PM (#40506859)
It seems to agree with your comment, though not sure what they intended.
Re:Former FTX Executive Ryan Salame Sentenced to 90 Months i... by mchannon on Tuesday May 28, 2024 @09:54PM (#40507536)
Recommend you visit a casino someday.

The game you’re thinking of is roulette. Blackjack doesn’t have colors to bet on.

Putting it all on black is only theft if you lose. FedEx’s founder famously bet half his employee payroll on black and won.

FTX eventually lost.

Re:Former FTX Executive Ryan Salame Sentenced to 90 Months i... by kosievdmerwe on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @07:11AM (#40510643)
Yeah though people tend to argue semantics in this hypothetical. Especially if you win the bet.

I definitely consider it akin to theft even if people don't quite want to use the word.

And importantly even if you ignore the fact that people aren't being made whole by the bankruptcy's 100% claim, people still won't have gotten their money back for years. So people are still significantly harmed despite the criminal winning some illicit bets.

Re:Former FTX Executive Ryan Salame Sentenced to 90 Months i... by floor2 on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @12:23PM (#40513701)
Except, that's how a bank works.

The money in your checking account or savings account isn't sitting in a vault, it's being loaned out to other customers of the bank immediately. But when you put money in an FDIC-insured bank account, you have the US Government guaranteeing that you'll get your money back even if the bank's investments of your money go bankrupt. Also, there's a complex set of regulated and audited independent counterparties with transparency and collateral agreements to separate custody, trade settlement, etc.

When you put money into a Bahamas based entity that is simultaneously the bank, exchange, broker, and hedgefund, you get none of these things, and so you just have to wait until it collapses and then hope to get your money back after bankruptcy court in a few years.