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Re:Why We're Turning Psychiatric Labels into Identities by TeMPOraL on Tuesday May 28, 2024 @11:20AM (#40501574)
Okay, name three examples then. Bonus points if they happen to be pure philosophers, not philosopher-practitioners.
Re:Why We're Turning Psychiatric Labels into Identities by cd4plus on Tuesday May 28, 2024 @11:42AM (#40501857)
Are you not a practitioner if you contribute to the field...? Seems impossible to meet your criteria.

What's a pure philosopher? Are Frege and Decartes not philosophers because they also did math? Does Alan Turing count? What about Popper and Kuhn? Are they philosophy enough for the philosopher club? Where, when, how and by whom do you think the concept of 'empirical science' was derived?

To be clear, everyone, including scientists, do philosophy every single day. You don't think Darwin did some philosophy in on the origin of species?

Re:Why We're Turning Psychiatric Labels into Identities by alan-hn on Tuesday May 28, 2024 @01:49PM (#40503420)
Sure you can argue about the specificity of the question but do you have any examples of pure philosophers?
Re:Why We're Turning Psychiatric Labels into Identities by cd4plus on Tuesday May 28, 2024 @04:13PM (#40505056)
Jerry Fodor? Noam Chomsky? Hilary Putnam? Patricia Churchland

What is a pure philosopher??!? I'm not arguing the specificity of the question, I'm saying that question is nonsensical.

Re:Why We're Turning Psychiatric Labels into Identities by alan-hn on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @12:15PM (#40513587)
Someone who does not test hypotheses
Re:Why We're Turning Psychiatric Labels into Identities by zaat on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @05:06PM (#40517025)
The characterization of the scientific method as proposing hypotheses and then putting them to test was given by a philosopher in the previous century. While the hypotheses that this is the character of the scientific method is still very common, it was refuted long ago, both by observations and by logic reasoning.
Re:Why We're Turning Psychiatric Labels into Identities by alan-hn on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @06:37PM (#40517898)
I didn't say anything about the scientific method though, I'm simply making a distinction about two groups of people who both seem to claim to generate understanding of our reality.

One group can and does test hypotheses, the other does not

Re:Why We're Turning Psychiatric Labels into Identities by AndrewKemendo on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @10:23AM (#40512329)
-Feynmann -Von Neumann -Say -Frege -Pasteur -Darwin

Like I could literally go forever because most breakthrough practitioners started as philosophers- note the PhDs

“Doctor of Philosophy”

I mean JFC people this is basic science history

But you know I’m sure that won’t satisfy somebody who doesn’t even understand the epistemological distinction between what a philosopher is or does and what somebody who’s actually doing experimental testing that turns into something great is because the distinction is basically zero

Re:Why We're Turning Psychiatric Labels into Identities by alan-hn on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @11:09AM (#40512754)
The distinction is that one of them actually tests hypotheses