> You also knew that this massacre was but the latest in a series of massacres committed by Israel
Hamas also decided to react to the latest peace proposal with an attempted massacre, that was only stopped through the military capabilities of Israel. Again such "details" don't matter to you.
> even if one of the states remains an apartheid ethnocracy; denying civil rights to Palestinians
I'll point out that Palestine is no better. Neither the PA nor Hamas. It is an apartheid state. It has separate laws for different religions, denying civil rights to everyone.
Likewise you don't seem to care that Israel is actually pretty nice to Palestinians. Yes, really. Jordan did worse. Kuwait did worse. Syria did FAR worse to Palestinians. Lebanon didn't and Egypt didn't but that wasn't for lack of trying (and like in Israel, these responses were to Palestinians attacking).
Frankly, I wonder why you demand Israel do better than Jordan or Kuwait (who both just threw all Palestinians out forcibly, not caring they had nowhere to go. They emptied entire cities of people, forcing them to leave the country, mostly on foot through the desert). Since you're not complaining about these, clearly find this acceptable treatment of Palestinians, except when Israel does it.
Which brings the question "what is it about Israel that makes you hate them so much?". We all know the answer.
> By your logic, Israel must also end for the massacres to stop.
No. Israel really, really wants a two-state solution. For the reasons stated: it is economically completely untenable and unrealistic for the Palestinians. Palestinians economy is a business model: promises of killing Jews and a steady stream of dead Palestinians in trade for close to 11 figures dollars yearly.
You neglected to mention that if a two-state solution happens, those 11 figures disappear. What is to replace them? I would note that especially WB is a desert. You need 10 figures just to keep it livable for humans.
Please find one quote on the matter from one Israeli politician currently in power that doesn't directly oppose this. I'll wait.
Also, stop insisting people are racist. Neither Syria nor Jordan have killed >35,000 Palestinians in the last 5 months, so we are not currently discussing them, we're discussing the country that is doing it, today.
Edit: let me start at the very top with Netanyahu's position [0]:
> The prime minister added that “everyone knows that I am the one who for decades blocked the establishment of a Palestinian state that would endanger our existence.”
Also see this article [3] about how Netanyahu and the head of the Mossad, Barnea, have been encouraging the continued funding of Hamas specifically to achieve this goal.
And from the more moderate president [1]:
> What I want to urge is against just saying two-state solution. Why? Because there is an emotional chapter here that must be dealt with.
National security minister Ben Gvir [2]:
> The war presents an “opportunity to concentrate on encouraging the migration of the residents of Gaza,” Ben Gvir told reporters and members of his far-right Otzma Yehudit party, calling such a policy “a correct, just, moral and humane solution.”
> “We cannot withdraw from any territory we are in in the Gaza Strip. Not only do I not rule out Jewish settlement there, I believe it is also an important thing,” he said.
Finance minister Smotrich [also 2]:
> The “correct solution” to the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian conflict is “to encourage the voluntary migration of Gaza’s residents to countries that will agree to take in the refugees,” Smotrich told members of his Religious Zionism party, predicting that “Israel will permanently control the territory of the Gaza Strip,” including through the establishment of settlements.
[0] https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-boasts-of-thwarting-...
[1] https://apnews.com/article/israel-war-hamas-herzog-president...
[2] https://www.timesofisrael.com/ministers-call-for-resettling-...
[3] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-q...
You must hate the UN then, or at least UNRWA. Either that, or you're a racist.
You must hate Qatar then.
You must hate Iran then.
You must hate Hezbollah then, too.
You must hate Syria then, too.
Shall I keep going? I mean, I realize you're a racist and you only ever are going to say what Jews do and did wrong, but it's funny to just keep exposing your blatant doublespeak. And I get that "just lie" propaganda technique works on idiots, but I think this is probably not the right forum to count on that one working. I could point out who came up with your "just lie" technique, or at least popularized it ...
When it comes to people who pay money to keep this situation going, there is A LOT of blame to go around.
And of course, that money is the real cause of the conflict from the very beginning. Now Hamas picked up on the business model. A steady stream of dead Palestinians, preferably kids, and fantasies of massacring Jews, in arabic (because western people frown on that sort of thing, and just refuse to believe just how racist the entire middle east is, despite how obvious it is) for 10 digits of US currency yearly, mostly direct from the US government (plus what we don't know about).
Hamas has already shown how they deal with their long term problems because it keeps getting harder to have Jews kill Palestinians, and there is less and less willingness of Palestinians to sacrifice themselves ... Take some statistics and you'll see this is happening. They switched to the rockets, of course, with UN help, but even that is failing badly.
So when hamas' need for money is high and Jews are unwilling to kill the Palestinians Hamas throws at them, or Palestinians warn them, or they decide that Jews are offering help ... and they take it (like the North Gaza aid convoy). Well, then Hamas just fires into the crowd, or drives a car bomb into their own people.
This “conspiracy theory” which you are claiming as such, is actually believed by most people. Dozens—if not hundreds—of humanitarian organizations, international organizations, and states, are calling this a genocide. Polls done in most of the world—including the USA—show a plurality—if not a majority, or and is some cases an overwhelming majority—of the general public believes Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza. That is, they believe Israel intents destroying Palestinians in Gaza in whole or in part.
We even have the world’s highest court ordering Israel to stop military operations in Rafah, because they believe the risk of genocide is too high, and just to make it abundantly clear that Israel does not care if a genocide is occurring, Israel commits yet another massacre in Rafah, killing dozens of civilians in a place which Israel had ordered civilians to evacuate to.
> if you want a two-state solution, Hamas must end, FIRST.
Massacres are occurring. When you posted this, you probably had already heard the news of the Rafah tent camp massacre, and you probably knew that Israel had killed at least 35 civilians in a designated safe zone. You also knew that this massacre was but the latest in a series of massacres committed by Israel. Last Sunday, there was another massacre in An Nuseirat where 31 Palestinians were killed when an Israeli air strike hit a residential house, the day before that, on May 18th, 28 Pelestinians were killed on a public square near Kamal Adwan Hospital in Beit Lahiya in a single Israeli airstrike. And if we go just 3 months back in time we have the Flour Massacre, which killed at least 118 Palestinians who were trying to get some food after having been deliberately starved by Israel for many many weeks.
By your logic, Israel must also end for the massacres to stop.
Look, I’m no fan of the two state solution. Zionism is a racist ideology and has no place in the modern world. IMO there should only be a single democratic states with equal rights for all citizens. But I’m willing to admit that the current situation of this apartheid abomination of a Zionist Israel, and its never ending occupations, is not working. If a two state solution was on the table (even if one of the states remains an apartheid ethnocracy; denying civil rights to Palestinians) it would still be better than current. Will it stop the violence? Of course not, just like the two-state solution of Ireland and Northern Ireland did not stop the violence. Palestinians will keep fighting for civil rights while they are denied them, and they will use violent means as long as they are not given political means to achieve them. But it will still be better than the currently. There probably wouldn’t be an ongoing genocide in Gaza, if we had two states.