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Re:The Lunacy of Artemis by alexey-salmin on Monday May 20, 2024 @11:22PM (#40423740)
Because in the end the statement that started this whole discussion is still true: we're not there yet, the starship keeps exploding. I have deep respect for SpaceX but what they "explicitly say" doesn't change facts.

We may get there eventually, perhaps even with starship, but the fact remains that in 60 years after Apollo we don't have a comparable heavy rocket.

Re:The Lunacy of Artemis by dotnet00 on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @10:07AM (#40428702)
Way to shift the goalposts
Re:The Lunacy of Artemis by alexey-salmin on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @10:18AM (#40428810)
I don't see how this is the case. We still have neither an F-1 capable engine not a Saturn V capable ticket, both statements are correct.
Re:The Lunacy of Artemis by _Tev on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @03:41PM (#40445387)
Wanting F-1 capable engine is like wanting exact recreation of combat performance of F-4. No one involved has cared about that for more than 40 years. Just people who don't understand the tradeoffs so they judge stuff based on silly heuristics.