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Re:ICC seeks arrest warrants against Sinwar and Netanyahu fo... by YZF on Monday May 20, 2024 @11:21PM (#40423735)
But the amount of aid going into the Gaza strip has increased dramatically (up to the Rafah crossing being taken). i.e. Israel did take action on this matter.

EDIT: It's also important to note the odd timing of asking for arrest warrants for the Hamas leadership at the same time as the Israeli arrest warrants.

Clearly unlike Israel there is no chance in *$#@ that Hamas would prosecute their own leadership for violation of international humanitarian law. The Hamas violations have also occurred earlier.

I.e. Israel should be given more time for its independent legal system to evaluate whether or not there's a case and pursue it. Israel justice system has put prime ministers and presidents on trial. Hamas shouldn't be given any time.

Given this you'd think arrest warrants for Hamas leadership would come a lot sooner.

Since this isn't the case one has to wonder if the prosecutor is doing a "both sides" kind of thing, maybe afraid of backlash if they only go after one side, in which case the response of Israel to the request to increase aid (which has happened) is not relevant.

Re:ICC seeks arrest warrants against Sinwar and Netanyahu fo... by downWidOutaFite on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @01:11AM (#40424392)
> up to the Rafah crossing

How long was that supposed ramp up? Maybe a couple weeks out of 7 months.

Re:ICC seeks arrest warrants against Sinwar and Netanyahu fo... by YZF on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @01:24AM (#40424478)
There are details here: https://govextra.gov.il/cogat/humanitarian-efforts/home/

EDIT: I can't find a concise summary but latest update: "422 aid trucks were inspected and transferred to the Gaza Strip, yesterday, (May.19). These trucks entered from the various aid routes we developed: Ashdod port, Erez crossing, Judea and Samaria, and JLOTS (maritime route)."

Supposedly the UN said Gaza needs a minimum of 100 trucks a day. https://www.newarab.com/news/un-puts-gaza-humanitarian-aid-n...

EDIT2: It's worth mentioning that since Israel took control of the Gaza side of the Rafah crossing Egypt is refusing to let aid in through that crossing.

Re:ICC seeks arrest warrants against Sinwar and Netanyahu fo... by dotancohen on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @01:50AM (#40424623)
I live about eight kilometers from Gaza, the aid trucks are on all the highways at pretty much capacity, and it's been like this for quite a while. I really don't see how much more aid could get in without building more infrastructure, and in fact there is a new port in the strip being built (maybe done already).

It should be noted in context that even bringing in aid is dangerous. The population attacks the aid drivers for two reasons (one, to get the aid, and two, they consider those drivers "traitors" and have been attacking them for long before the current conflict). And there is not insignificant risk to the Gazans as well, there was an incident a few months ago where an aid truck ran people over trying to stop it and some people were killed in a very gruesome fashion.

Re:ICC seeks arrest warrants against Sinwar and Netanyahu fo... by edanm on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:17AM (#40424759)
> and in fact there is a new port in the strip being built (maybe done already).

I think yesterday or the day before the first aid came in via the port, actually.

Re:ICC seeks arrest warrants against Sinwar and Netanyahu fo... by downWidOutaFite on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:30AM (#40424835)
Not as gruesome as the flour massacre where IDF gunned down hundreds of Gazans trying to get food off of trucks.
Re:ICC seeks arrest warrants against Sinwar and Netanyahu fo... by YZF on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:45AM (#40424936)
I think you guys are referring to two different accounts of the same incident. Hamas claims Israel gunned down Gazans (not sure how we got to hundreds, I don't think even Hamas claimed that) and Israel claims the Palestinians mobbed the trucks and got run over as the trucks were trying to get away.

The Hamas started calling this the "Flour Massacre" since it has a certain ring to it. Given where the information is coming from I suspect it's not true. Like anything else, we don't have independent information. The IDF did investigate this as well and admitted to shooting at people approaching their security vehicles (that were there to secure the aid delivery).

Re:ICC seeks arrest warrants against Sinwar and Netanyahu fo... by downWidOutaFite on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @04:24AM (#40425542)
Part of why it's so hard to communicate about these issues is that we all inhabit a world of propaganda that we have to work hard to see through. But in this case Hamas didn't claim anything. The people that were on the ground describe a deliberate ambush by IDF soldiers: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/1/flour-massacre-how-g...
Re:ICC seeks arrest warrants against Sinwar and Netanyahu fo... by pyuser583 on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @01:47PM (#40443857)
Wait they’re attacking the aid drivers as traitors!?!
Re:ICC seeks arrest warrants against Sinwar and Netanyahu fo... by dotancohen on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @06:52PM (#40447755)
Yes, because those aid drivers collaborate with the Israelis. This was going on long before the current war, when they were driving products and not aid.
Re:ICC seeks arrest warrants against Sinwar and Netanyahu fo... by Gibbon1 on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:09AM (#40424715)
If you assume rice is 600 calories per kg. And an average need of 2000 cal/day-person. 2,000,000 people in Gaza, and a truck can carry 35,000 kg.

Need about 2X10^6 X 2000 = 4X10^9 calories as day.

At 600 cal/kg you need then 6.67 X 10^6 kg of rice per day.

Truckloads = 6.67X10^6 kg / 35,000 kg/truck = 190 truckloads of rice per day.

Most likely conclusion is Salafists and their supporters lie about everything.

Re:ICC seeks arrest warrants against Sinwar and Netanyahu fo... by mowmow on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:51AM (#40424973)
…but rice is 1300kcal/kg, so you need 88 trucks/day.

Are you the salafist you speak of?

Re:ICC seeks arrest warrants against Sinwar and Netanyahu fo... by Gibbon1 on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @04:04AM (#40425389)
I fucked up, rice is about 600 cal/lb freedom.

> Are you the salafist you speak of?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi_movement

Re:ICC seeks arrest warrants against Sinwar and Netanyahu fo... by Thiez on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @02:14PM (#40431813)
So they'll be eating this rice raw, then? Raw uncooked rice with a nice cup of seawater to quench their thirst.
Re:ICC seeks arrest warrants against Sinwar and Netanyahu fo... by dunekid on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @03:31PM (#40432766)
> Israel justice system has put prime ministers and presidents on trial.

> Clearly unlike Israel there is no chance in *$#@ that Hamas would prosecute their own leadership for violation of international humanitarian law.

Huh, I almost forgot there were massive protests against the current PM when he set out to cripple the ability of the said Judiciary from trying him in court. But go on.

Re:ICC seeks arrest warrants against Sinwar and Netanyahu fo... by YZF on Friday May 24, 2024 @12:21PM (#40467676)
You also forgot that the PM failed and the Judiciary is still independent and the PM is still under trial. What's your point exactly? What you're saying is evidence of a functioning democracy and the courts are still independent.