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Re:FBI Arrests Man for Generating AI Child Sexual Abuse Imagery by squarefoot on Monday May 20, 2024 @07:02PM (#40421602)
I completely understand forbidding the distribution to minors, but how can they hold accountable someone for producing CSAM and keeping all data in their hard drive? This sets a dangerous precedent; how is it different from simulating a murder, or simply speeding in a videogame?

That "or distribute" should really be "and distribute"; the whole point should be to protect kids, not to punish people that are indeed fucked up but found a way to not harm the society.

Re:FBI Arrests Man for Generating AI Child Sexual Abuse Imagery by Sporktacular on Monday May 20, 2024 @07:21PM (#40421833)
"Not harm society" will depend on what material the models are trained with.
Re:FBI Arrests Man for Generating AI Child Sexual Abuse Imagery by roenxi on Monday May 20, 2024 @07:40PM (#40422002)
Running some order of magnitudes, we've had people abusing children and taking photos of it since around 1850. By this point there is a large enough corpus of whatever horrors they want to look at that a model can be trained without doing any further harm.

It is a total waste of taxpayer funds to be going after someone if all they've done is generate however many images with stable diffusion. I'm glad in this case he's at least done something objectionable although an arrest seems a bit of an overreach, this seems to be the sort of situation that could be resolved with a fine rather than jail time based on skimming the indictment. If that.

Re:FBI Arrests Man for Generating AI Child Sexual Abuse Imagery by Sporktacular on Thursday May 23, 2024 @06:45PM (#40460791)
How would policing that work exactly? Downloading only old CSAM is acceptable? Technically any child abuse material available was produced in the past, so you could argue any pedophile downloading any of it isn't 'doing any further harm'.

But the harm in it comes from generating further demand and normalising the sexualization of children. And than can happen with any material from before or after 1850. If a model is trained on it, it becomes a derivative work that should be treated no differently than a b&w version of a colour abuse image.

Not sure what tax dollars have to do with this but IMO it's a small price to pay for an important service.

Re:FBI Arrests Man for Generating AI Child Sexual Abuse Imagery by roenxi on Thursday May 23, 2024 @11:54PM (#40462638)
> Technically any child abuse material available was produced in the past, so you could argue any pedophile downloading any of it isn't 'doing any further harm'.

Sounds like I'd be happy to go with that. You're taking it to the logical conclusion and I generally agree. The problem to me is (1) people abusing children and (2) people paying other people to abuse children.

> Not sure what tax dollars have to do with this but IMO it's a small price to pay for an important service.

It isn't an important service. With the advent of generative AI models, going after people for possessing dodgy images is now more than likely persecuting people who haven't done any harm to anyone and aren't going to.

We really should have learned this lesson after Turing. If people aren't harming anyone then it is OK for them to have bizarre sexual likes and dislikes.

Re:FBI Arrests Man for Generating AI Child Sexual Abuse Imagery by Sporktacular on Sunday June 02, 2024 @03:34AM (#40552167)
"it is OK for them to have bizarre sexual likes and dislikes."

I agree, so long as they are not consuming something that harmed anyone. Just as we know banning ivory sales reduces elephant poaching, contributing to demand causes harm. Putting an AI step in between the CP and its consumption is the same as before, it doesn't change anything.

Re:FBI Arrests Man for Generating AI Child Sexual Abuse Imagery by roenxi on Tuesday June 04, 2024 @06:45PM (#40579713)
It changes everything. It removes the part where harm needs to be done to satisfy demand. If someone says "I want a picture of X!" and an AI generates them the picture, no harm is done.
Re:FBI Arrests Man for Generating AI Child Sexual Abuse Imagery by Sporktacular on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @05:34AM (#40644256)
The harm was done. It was just done before the consumption step, just like buying an ivory shoehorn or making a photocopy of an existing image of child abuse.

The only way around it is the model is not trained on any child abuse material, otherwise legally it's consuming a CP product.

Re:FBI Arrests Man for Generating AI Child Sexual Abuse Imagery by s1artibartfast on Monday May 20, 2024 @08:39PM (#40422615)
how is that? the AI companies aren't commissioning new sexual abuse to train their models on.