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Re:Is artificial consciousness achievable? Lessons from the ... by anon291 on Sunday May 19, 2024 @10:30AM (#40407216)
> Along the lines of "animals don't have feelings" which seems to be mostly pushed by Christians.

Can you provide any source for this claim? The historical Christian belief is that animals have souls and feelings and inner experiences.

Re:Is artificial consciousness achievable? Lessons from the ... by IshKebab on Sunday May 19, 2024 @01:51PM (#40408511)
It stems from the belief that only humans have a soul. Here's an example:

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/animals-dont-have-fe...

I think that view has changed a lot over the last few decades but certainly 30 years ago it was pretty common.

Re:Is artificial consciousness achievable? Lessons from the ... by anon291 on Monday May 20, 2024 @02:14AM (#40412789)
This is not a Christian belief, Augustine and Aquinas (among others) openly believed animals, plants, even stones, had souls. A lot of mistakes regarding Christian theology is people mistaking something they heard '30 years ago' with a millennia old religion
Re:Is artificial consciousness achievable? Lessons from the ... by IshKebab on Monday May 20, 2024 @02:38AM (#40412921)
I didn't mean it was an official position of the Church, just one that a lot of Christians have (or at least had fairly recently). Let's not no-true-Scotsman this.
Re:Is artificial consciousness achievable? Lessons from the ... by anon291 on Monday May 20, 2024 @10:44AM (#40416078)
You brought up Christians, not me. Was it meant as a serious claim, or just casual bigotry?
Re:Is artificial consciousness achievable? Lessons from the ... by IshKebab on Monday May 20, 2024 @03:10PM (#40419016)
Err yes I did bring it up and it was a serious claim. I'm not sure what your problem with it is tbh.
Re:Is artificial consciousness achievable? Lessons from the ... by anon291 on Monday May 20, 2024 @07:52PM (#40422152)
The thread you posted is one guy who says animals don't have feelings and asking for a Bible verse to support it and a bunch of responders pointing out that animals obviously have feelings.