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Re:GPT-4o by littlestymaar on Monday May 13, 2024 @02:38PM (#40346697)
I don't think a bigger model would make sense for OpenAI: it's much more important for them that they keep driving inference coat down, because there's no viable business model if they don't.

Improving the instruction tuning, the RLHF step, increase the training size, work on multilingual capabilities, etc. make sense as a way to improve quality, but I think increasing model size doesn't. Being able to advertize a big breakthrough may make sense in terms of marketing, but I don't believe it's going to happen for two reasons:

- you don't release intermediate steps when you want to be able to advertise big gains, because it raises the baseline and reduce the effectiveness of your ”big gains” in terms of marketing.

- I don't think they would benefit in an arm race with Meta, trying to keeping a significant edge. Meta is likely to be able to catch-up eventually on performance, but they are not so much of a threat in terms of business. Focusing on keeping a performance edge instead of making their business viable would be a strategic blunder.

Re:GPT-4o by jononor on Monday May 13, 2024 @03:44PM (#40347491)
What is OpenAI business model if their models are second-best? Why would people pay them and not Meta/Google/Microsoft - who can afford to sell at very low margins, since they have existing very profitable businesses that keeps them afloat.
Re:GPT-4o by littlestymaar on Monday May 13, 2024 @03:56PM (#40347606)
That's the question OpenAI needs to find an answer to if they want to end up viable.

They have the brand recognition (for ChatGPT) and that's a good start, but that's not enough. Providing a best in class user experience, a way to lock down their customers in some kind of walled garden, building some kind of network effect (what they tried with their marketplace for community-built “GPTs” last fall but I'm not sure it's working), something else?

At the end of the day they have no technological moat, so they'll need to build a business one, or perish.

For most tasks, pretty much every models from their competitors is more than good enough already, and it's only going to get worse as everyone improves. Being marginally better on 2% of tasks isn't going to be enough.

Re:GPT-4o by Eisenstein on Monday May 13, 2024 @05:22PM (#40348632)
I know it is super crazy, but maybe they could become a non-profit and dedicate themselves to producing open source AI in an effort to democratize it and make it safe (as in, not walled behind a giant for-profit corp that will inevitably enshittify it).

I don't know why they didn't think about doing that earlier, could have been a game changer, but there is still an opportunity to pivot.