23% of bachelor's degrees and 43% of master's degrees have a negative ROI

Re:23% of bachelor's degrees and 43% of master's degrees hav... by tptacek on Monday May 13, 2024 @10:03AM (#40343510)

If a Fortune 500 company was routinely asking candidates their age, they'd be routinely getting hauled into court in age discrimination suits (they would win those suits, but the ride is worse than the rap). There are Fortune 500 companies that do routinely IQ test candidates. They're not getting hauled into court. Because it's not unlawful to do so, and there's no "aptitude discrimination" in any state's employment law.

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Re:23% of bachelor's degrees and 43% of master's degrees hav... by johnnyanmac on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @01:17PM (#40357523)

Remember, it's not illegal if you don't get called out and caught. The world isn't as perfect a surveillance state and some would want you to believe. Plenty of little evils in the corner that are simply that.

>They're not getting hauled into court. Because it's not unlawful to do so

They're in fact being hauled to court all the time. Because it is unlawful to do so.

You're not hearing about it becase they know they fuck up, so it's easier to settle, and then fire the manager. Why do you think these companies have full time lawyers? They are being sued all the time, in small claims and high profile cases.

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Re:23% of bachelor's degrees and 43% of master's degrees hav... by tptacek on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @02:09PM (#40358182)

No, to all of this. Purveyors of IQ tests for hiring brag about their client lists. It is simply not true that there is a prohibition on IQ testing candidates. There isn't a de jure ban, and there isn't a de facto one. The majority of companies that don't use them made that decision because the tests are stupid, not because they're a form of HR samizdat.

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Re:23% of bachelor's degrees and 43% of master's degrees hav... by johnnyanmac on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @02:13PM (#40358237)

I already addressed the IQ thing, so to be frank I don't care anymore. I have nothing new to add.

I only responded because I don't like the implication in your last response that age discminiation is legal and companies are not in fact routinely sued over incompotent postings. In the company's fairness, they don't have perfect oversight of every manager and every posting. But they pay the price.

That is a pretty black and white area, and I mentioned the few grays already. It still happens. If you were just talking past me to double down on the IQ thing, then my apologies.

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Re:23% of bachelor's degrees and 43% of master's degrees hav... by tptacek on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @02:45PM (#40358633)

I don't understand and think we may be talking past each other. Age discrimination is not legal, and you would likely get in trouble at most big companies for asking candidates their age. Whereas, if you instituted an IQ test for candidates, you would probably brag about it publicly, as companies manifestly do.

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