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Re:Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign... by OSI-Auflauf on Monday May 13, 2024 @08:51AM (#40342756)
You compare apples with oranges. Because if you'd compare the apples , you'd notice one of them has no usable E2E.

Yes oranges umm phone numbers is a problem. They have that both. Only one can additionally read the contents.

Thats for now the price for a normie interface.

First goalposts first.

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Re:Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign... by rfoo on Monday May 13, 2024 @09:45AM (#40343309)
I agree with you that Telegram does not even have E2EE and that's bad.

But in this thread, GP was just talking about metadata. The goalpost here is metadata. GP particularly mentioned that Signal "fixed" the phone number issue and I just want to note that currently Signal isn't any better than Telegram in this aspect.

And then you moved orange back.

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Re:Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign... by gkbrk on Monday May 13, 2024 @09:47AM (#40343336)
> Telegram does not even have E2EE

This is incorrect. Telegram has E2EE.

https://core.telegram.org/api/end-to-end

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Re:Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign... by rfoo on Monday May 13, 2024 @09:54AM (#40343426)
I don't see how I can start an E2EE chat from my PC. If a feature only ever exists on phone it does not exist.

https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/issues/871

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Re:Telegram has launched a pretty intense campaign to malign... by input_sh on Monday May 13, 2024 @10:00AM (#40343479)
...in secret chats, that are only available in 1-to-1 conversations via mobile apps.

So, not on by default (unlike Signal), no group chats (unlike Signal), no support at all in desktop apps (you've guessed it: unlike Signal).

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