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Re:Coronal mass ejection impact imminent, Two more earth-dir... by xtracto on Friday May 10, 2024 @06:18PM (#40324299)
Uuuuh I have a flight today 8pm CT . What will this mean for airplanes?
Re:Coronal mass ejection impact imminent, Two more earth-dir... by tithe on Friday May 10, 2024 @06:55PM (#40324529)
According to the SWPC[0], the "SPACE WEATHER CONDITIONS" section displays the pertinent information: as of 5/10/2024 at 6:00 CST, the "24-Hour Observed Maximums" list "R3 S2 G4". The "Latest Observed" section shows "R1 S1 G4".

According to NOAA Space Weather Scales [1], the effects of those events, their levels, and the corresponding hazards (including biological risks for the "S" category) are listed.

It is unclear to me what "high-flying" and "high latitudes" mean in these cases, and I would think that they would depend on the severity and location of the space weather event.

[0] https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/communities/space-weather-enthusia...

[1] https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/sites/default/files/images/NOAAsca...

Re:Coronal mass ejection impact imminent, Two more earth-dir... by t0mas88 on Saturday May 11, 2024 @06:11AM (#40327207)
In general, not related to this event, anything over FL410 (roughly 41,000ft) and closer to the pole than 70 degrees latitude would be considered high altitude and high latitude in the aviation world.

Above FL410 is rare, except for business jets that can cruise that high. It comes with extra requirements on oxygen masks etc.

Polar routes are not that rare, but depend on certification how far away from a suitable airport you can go.

Re:Coronal mass ejection impact imminent, Two more earth-dir... by swader999 on Friday May 10, 2024 @08:45PM (#40325132)
Is it a Boeing?
Re:Coronal mass ejection impact imminent, Two more earth-dir... by bbor on Friday May 10, 2024 @09:15PM (#40325271)
Interesting thought… keep the receipt either way, in case it becomes relevant as part of a class action in 30 years!
Re:Coronal mass ejection impact imminent, Two more earth-dir... by jaggederest on Friday May 10, 2024 @09:17PM (#40325282)
Nothing consequential for a single flight. Even crew really don't have to worry about it until it gets to very high levels, according to the NOAA scales
Re:Coronal mass ejection impact imminent, Two more earth-dir... by janalsncm on Friday May 10, 2024 @09:51PM (#40325429)
Do you have a source for this? My friend was asking about this.
Re:Coronal mass ejection impact imminent, Two more earth-dir... by jaggederest on Saturday May 11, 2024 @12:17AM (#40325923)
You can look at the current activity charts and extrapolate from the particle flux, but it's likely going to be below 1mSv for a 6 hour flight. The XKCD radiation chart provides the most sensible comparison for most people I think:

https://xkcd.com/radiation/

As a comparison, a typical flight might only have a dose of 40uSv, so like 25 normal flights. But still many people take many more trips than that.

Re:Coronal mass ejection impact imminent, Two more earth-dir... by MadnessASAP on Saturday May 11, 2024 @01:19AM (#40326131)
FWIW I'm an aircraft mechanic and the only complaint I've ever heard related to solar storms was that the HF radio stopped working. Which isn't a radio thats going to be used or even installed on a typical airliner.

Although it could also disrupt satellite communication causing some delays in flight planning and aircraft/crew turnaround.

For a fun anecdote, when the HF radio fault was reported we weren't aware of the troubles in the ionosphere. After a few hours of troubleshooting on the system and not finding any problems I flippantly remarked that it must've been a solar flare because the radios perfect. 15 minutes later I was reading the news and saw the headline.

Re:Coronal mass ejection impact imminent, Two more earth-dir... by t0mas88 on Saturday May 11, 2024 @06:16AM (#40327219)
HF is installed on many airliners, it's mandatory for the North Atlantic routes between the US and Europe. Still checked every flight as a backup to satellite position reporting (which is relatively new)
Re:Coronal mass ejection impact imminent, Two more earth-dir... by keepamovin on Saturday May 11, 2024 @04:46AM (#40326900)
This did his the highest recordable levels. G5 "Extreme". See "Estimated Planetary K index", here: https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/communities/aviation-community-das...