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Re:Apple Will Revamp Siri to Catch Up to Its Chatbot Competi... by lern_too_spel on Friday May 10, 2024 @04:26PM (#40323452)
The competition has been running on device models with specialized hardware for longer than Apple has. Even with on-device LLMs, Apple is already far behind. https://store.google.com/intl/en/ideas/articles/pixel-featur...
Re:Apple Will Revamp Siri to Catch Up to Its Chatbot Competi... by jdminhbg on Friday May 10, 2024 @07:40PM (#40324788)
This isn’t really the competition. This is more akin to opening up the OpenAI app than using Siri. Hey Google is, like Siri, still not LLM-based.
Re:Apple Will Revamp Siri to Catch Up to Its Chatbot Competi... by lern_too_spel on Saturday May 11, 2024 @01:34AM (#40326190)
I'm responding to the following.

> Apple's silicon enables them to run incredibly strong models locally, fully offline. This is a huge win over competition that needs clients to connect to a network-connected GPU farm.

The competition has already racked up that win.

Re:Apple Will Revamp Siri to Catch Up to Its Chatbot Competi... by jdminhbg on Saturday May 11, 2024 @02:30AM (#40326410)
I stand by my counterpoint: Google can’t run “Hey Google” on-device because it only controls a small % of the devices it’s available on. In the world of built-in voice assistants, Siri is behind, but only as behind as it was in 2021.
Re:Apple Will Revamp Siri to Catch Up to Its Chatbot Competi... by lern_too_spel on Saturday May 11, 2024 @02:14PM (#40329715)
This thread is about the world of on-device models, not the world of built-in voice assistants. The competition that this thread is about comes from this sentence in the original comment: "This is a huge win over competition that needs clients to connect to a network-connected GPU farm."
Re:Apple Will Revamp Siri to Catch Up to Its Chatbot Competi... by Atreiden on Monday May 13, 2024 @10:03AM (#40343517)
Sure they're quite behind in the model space, but there are plenty of routes for them to catch up quickly in this regard. Licensing, open-source models, etc.

Google's hardware is just not as powerful. The Tensor G3 is far less capable than the A16 let alone the A17 Pro or M4 chip that powers the new iPad. Gemini Nano is a tiny model with limited applications. On the page you've linked, it seems like it's mainly used for text summarization, autocomplete, and various image features. It's not used for the Google assistant, likely due to the complexity of that task relative to the strength of the model.

Apple's hardware could run more powerful models that make assistant a first-class citizen. And as another poster mentioned, Apple does not have the same incentive structure as Google (which always has to keep their ad revenue business in mind). Apple would happily offer an all-in-one, does-everything assistant to their users, if it were good enough to compel sales. Google likely would not, but would rather bake integrations into their other products in order to "augment them with AI" while preserving their revenue model.