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Re:No "Zero-Shot" Without Exponential Data by hprotagonist on Thursday May 09, 2024 @11:09AM (#40309012)
My long-standing observation has been that while nature may abhor a vacuum, she also really, really loves sigmoids.

That performance vs. training data is not linear, but logarithmic, doesn't exactly come as a surprise.

Re:No "Zero-Shot" Without Exponential Data by bilsbie on Thursday May 09, 2024 @12:18PM (#40309769)
Every exponential is really an s curve?
Re:No "Zero-Shot" Without Exponential Data by hprotagonist on Thursday May 09, 2024 @12:31PM (#40309911)
in physical systems, it’s very often the case!
Re:No "Zero-Shot" Without Exponential Data by mr_mitm on Thursday May 09, 2024 @01:18PM (#40310445)
Pretty much always. One exception might be the expansion of the universe
Re:No "Zero-Shot" Without Exponential Data by jskherman on Thursday May 09, 2024 @01:07PM (#40310343)
Symmetries in Nature strike again! It's just like in Noether's theorem.
Re:No "Zero-Shot" Without Exponential Data by eru on Thursday May 09, 2024 @09:46PM (#40314782)
Noether's theorem has nothing to do with S-curves.
Re:No "Zero-Shot" Without Exponential Data by ixaxaar on Thursday May 09, 2024 @03:23PM (#40311996)
The physical world has limits, that's why sigmoids everywhere.
Re:No "Zero-Shot" Without Exponential Data by CuriouslyC on Thursday May 09, 2024 @03:25PM (#40312016)
The question that is unanswered, is the logarithmic performance improvement the result of better sampling of the underlying distribution over time, or related to just doing more training with slight variations to effectively regularize the model so it generalizes better? If it's the former, that indicates that we could achieve small models that are every bit as smart as large ones in limited domains, and if that's the case, it radically changes the landscape of what an optimal model architecture is.

I suspect from the success of Phi3 that it is in fact the former.