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Re:How I Think About Debt by sokoloff on Monday May 06, 2024 @05:40PM (#40279805)
It's fine to expect some people to buy a house with cash. I don't think that precludes saving for many years to do so (meaning the median income doesn't need to be $1M/yr).
Re:How I Think About Debt by dheera on Monday May 06, 2024 @05:44PM (#40279847)
Unfortunately housing prices are rising so fast that saving for years doesn't necessarily get you there, unless median income is close to ~1M by my back-of-envelope calculations, which include:

- taxes (1M is close to 500K after taxes)

- money that you need to cut out and put into retirement to sustain yourself from age 65-100

- living expenses and rent until you buy

- real estate prices rising the whole time

Re:How I Think About Debt by prawn on Monday May 06, 2024 @07:35PM (#40280692)
Which is why taking on debt to buy property is often a good option - you lock in prices, then they rise. Where I live, house prices double in value every ten years, quite reliably. Recently, it's been faster. In ten years, you're paying rent on a $2m property while someone else is paying down a $500-800k loan (using your example figure).
Re:How I Think About Debt by sokoloff on Monday May 06, 2024 @05:57PM (#40279976)
> living expenses and rent until you buy

Which will of course be stratospheric in a world where median labor costs $500 per hour.

Re:How I Think About Debt by steelframe on Monday May 06, 2024 @09:54PM (#40281471)
> sustain yourself from age 65-100

Fortunately my life expectancy has dropped in the past few years!

Re:How I Think About Debt by throwaway2037 on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @01:23AM (#40282616)

    > Unfortunately housing prices are rising so fast that saving for years doesn't necessarily get you there
Where? In many, many highly developed countries this isn't true.

    > 1M is close to 500K after taxes
Woah. Where do you live where effective income tax rates are 50% for 1M+? Please don't confuse marginal ("headline") vs effective ("actual") tax rates.
Re:How I Think About Debt by ehmmmmmmmm on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @01:46AM (#40282745)
In San Francisco if you make $1M as a W-2 employee your marginal tax rate is ~53% and your effective tax rate is ~47%.

If you make $1M on your own the rates are even higher.

(That's not including the 10% sales tax you pay on almost everything you buy with the money you have left, property taxes on property you thought you owned, property taxes landlords financially pass onto you as a renter, etc.)

Re:How I Think About Debt by seanmcdirmid on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @01:51AM (#40282761)
Property taxes are the only thing in California that are pretty mellow given prop 13. Well, unless the property was just turned over.
Re:How I Think About Debt by throwaway2037 on Wednesday May 08, 2024 @05:20AM (#40295933)
Don't worry, the home prices in SF are still much cheaper than Sydney or Hongkong.