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Re:MIT abandons use of DEI statements by rayiner on Sunday May 05, 2024 @06:57PM (#40269388)
You’ve accurately described the differences, but none of those things are relevant to the workplace. All the ways I’m actually different from Americans are just a source of consternation where I have to bite my tongue and remind myself that it’s their country and I have to put up with the dog in the office, etc.

As to “cheap to observe” information: you might observe that Asian and Mormon communities socialize people to work without complaining or making demands. That seems profitable in the workplace. Is that the kind of cheap to observe information you can rely on? (It’s not—it’s illegal!)

Re:MIT abandons use of DEI statements by tptacek on Sunday May 05, 2024 @08:09PM (#40269827)
It's "their" country? It's yours too. Be the dog-free workplace you want to see in the world.
Re:MIT abandons use of DEI statements by rayiner on Sunday May 05, 2024 @09:07PM (#40270166)
I don’t subscribe to that view of nationhood. It’s a constant source of discomfort (not just at the office, but visiting people’s houses or visiting my in laws) but it’s not my place to impose on the people whose ancestors built this country. I feel bad enough that I won’t let my wife have a dog, but I have to draw the line somewhere.
Re:MIT abandons use of DEI statements by akerl_ on Monday May 06, 2024 @12:30AM (#40271149)
On behalf of the group of slightly-longer-ago immigrants to the country that you're classifying as having "built this country": I'm not sure why my ancestors coming here a while back means you can't say "I don't want a dog next to my desk at work".

If you're a person who lives here and works here, you get to participate in defining what the society and workplace look like, respectively. Having to type it out actually feels weird, because it's pretty self-evident. You're here, the things you do impact the culture.

Re:MIT abandons use of DEI statements by kortilla on Monday May 06, 2024 @04:05AM (#40272314)
If it’s just cultural have you thought of “getting the fuck over it” and letting your wife get a dog? You seem like a logical person, unless you specifically have an issue with them that isn’t cultural baggage, just embrace the ability to have dogs.
Re:MIT abandons use of DEI statements by rayiner on Monday May 06, 2024 @07:52AM (#40273525)
Culture includes some of our most deep-down disgust responses. I have trouble even being at people’s houses if there’s dog hair on the couch or I can smell them. It’s coded to me as a dirty environment.
Re:MIT abandons use of DEI statements by tptacek on Monday May 06, 2024 @12:59PM (#40276752)
Not being a dog person doesn't make you a xenophobe! Lots of Americans don't like dogs. You are one of them.
Re:MIT abandons use of DEI statements by rayiner on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @01:09AM (#40282533)
Your first two sentences are true in general. But if you had ever met my mom you'd know my personal dislike of dogs is rooted in xenophobia.
Re:MIT abandons use of DEI statements by tptacek on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @02:28AM (#40282943)
As the owner of a bulldog that is essentially a furry, shedding alimentary canal with feet, I assure you there are perfectly legitimate reasons to find dogs unclean.
Re:MIT abandons use of DEI statements by dctoedt on Monday May 06, 2024 @02:21PM (#40277805)
I agree with Thomas (see his response to your comment, "below").

Are you making a category mistake here?

Re:MIT abandons use of DEI statements by WalterBright on Sunday May 05, 2024 @09:00PM (#40270125)
> I have to put up with the dog in the office

A company I worked for long ago decided that it was ok for employees to bring their dogs to work. This worked for a time until one of the dogs pooped in the executive's office.

That was the end of that.

My dad lived in a small town for a few years. He was friendly with the mayor, and asked him what was his biggest problem. The mayor said the town was equally divided between dog lovers and dog haters. It was simply impossible for him to please both.

Which was a relief for me.

Re:MIT abandons use of DEI statements by rayiner on Sunday May 05, 2024 @10:33PM (#40270624)
To be clear, Bangladeshis (and I think most Muslims) don’t “hate” dogs. There are dogs—my dad had them in the village and we had one when I was young. It’s a hygiene taboo. They’re viewed as unclean. They live outside—you don’t snuggle them or put your face up to them. It’s similar to their view of using toilet paper instead of washing after going to the bathroom. Or how North Americans view the Latin American practice of disposing of toilet paper in the trash bin rather than flushing it.
Re:MIT abandons use of DEI statements by lupusreal on Monday May 06, 2024 @04:24PM (#40279083)
A few years ago I worked at a company that let people bring in dogs and I hated it. I actually like dogs and have had some myself (although not at that time), but one of my team members always brought in his huge rescue pitbull. It was always under control, never barked or lunged, but it liked to sit perfectly still, alert and upright giving me a death stare for hours at a time. All I could think was "this dog is probably not going to do anything, but if it snaps it could probably maim me in an instant."

How can I focus on work under circumstances like that? But how can I complain when it hasn't actually done anything yet? I would be "that guy." Now dog policy is something I pay attention to when choosing jobs.