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Re:How to Build a $20B Semiconductor Fab by VHRanger on Saturday May 04, 2024 @11:12PM (#40261993)
That's not why outsourcing created devastation.

The issue without outsourcing is that the benefits are widespread (lower prices!) but the drawbacks are concentrated (factory town is now a hellhole). And our political system is incapable of redistributing correctly even though the net effect is highly positive.

The seminal study on the topic is the "China shock" paper from Autor et Al.:

https://www.nber.org/papers/w21906

Re:How to Build a $20B Semiconductor Fab by trwm on Saturday May 04, 2024 @11:20PM (#40262021)
The multiplier effect is well known and understood. Nit sure why you're arguing against it.
Re:How to Build a $20B Semiconductor Fab by philosopher1234 on Sunday May 05, 2024 @02:59AM (#40262844)
I don’t know or understand this multiplier effect you’re referring to. If you’d like to persuade me (and I assume other readers) explaining your argument might be more effective. Instead I get a sense of “don’t argue against me” as opposed to “this is why I’m right”
Re:How to Build a $20B Semiconductor Fab by TeMPOraL on Sunday May 05, 2024 @04:21AM (#40263148)
Strange, because put this way, it should be entirely positive - widespread benefits and concentrated drawbacks are what we want to happen, as it benefits more people and concentrated problems are much easier to manage. What's very bad is when benefits are concentrated (often in the hands of a small group), and drawbacks are widespread, and therefore near-impossible to manage. See e.g. pollution, emissions...

... and outsourcing. The benefits are concentrated: profits captured by the companies doing the outsourcing. Sure, they may sometimes trickle down to the consumer, but the costs - the distributed drawbacks - are inferior quality of goods, elimination of local jobs, high ecological footprint, abusive business practices, lack of effective customer support. And the extra magic here is, it spreads direct responsibility over national borders, so it's near-impossible to hold anyone to account.

Re:How to Build a $20B Semiconductor Fab by drevil-v2 on Sunday May 05, 2024 @07:11AM (#40263941)
Why would lower prices be beneficial? Americans already had the highest living standards in the world.
Re:How to Build a $20B Semiconductor Fab by bradleyjg on Sunday May 05, 2024 @07:54AM (#40264162)
In 600 BCE some population had the highest living standards in the world. Was that the peak of human flourishing that we ever should have aspired to?
Re:How to Build a $20B Semiconductor Fab by drevil-v2 on Sunday May 05, 2024 @11:22AM (#40265527)
Still have not answered my question. Why is lower prices better? Why would vastly higher consumption coupled with vastly decreased production be beneficial?
Re:How to Build a $20B Semiconductor Fab by bradleyjg on Sunday May 05, 2024 @12:41PM (#40266159)
More things, less work sounds like utopia to me. Bring on the replicators!
Re:How to Build a $20B Semiconductor Fab by specialist on Sunday May 05, 2024 @01:14PM (#40266444)
2016

More recently, the drawbacks have been far more global in nature.