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Re:Did we lose our way in making efficient software? – ~30 M... by wredue on Sunday April 28, 2024 @11:17PM (#40194071)
You don’t have to do any of that for native apps either.

What on earth is happening in this comment section?

Re:Did we lose our way in making efficient software? – ~30 M... by wsc981 on Sunday April 28, 2024 @11:56PM (#40194245)
I think on macOS it's kinda a requirement, even if you ship outside of the AppStore, to be trusted by consumers. Because I think the app needs to be signed by Apple, in order to start the app without a warning and I think in order for Apple to perform the signing, you'd need a developer account.

I might be wrong here as I have been focused pretty much only on mobile, so feel free to correct me.

Re:Did we lose our way in making efficient software? – ~30 M... by GnarfGnarf on Monday April 29, 2024 @07:46AM (#40197125)
That is correct.
Re:Did we lose our way in making efficient software? – ~30 M... by thegrim33 on Monday April 29, 2024 @11:27AM (#40199575)
True. Apple devices are a lost cause for me, I don't even consider supporting them in my software. It doesn't even come up as an option in my head, I forget it exists. I'd never willfully have anything to do with their ecosystem, whether desktop or mobile. I wonder if eventually people like me refusing to support them will actually make a difference and force them to change, or if enough people will just continue to bow down to them and do what it takes to be on their devices that they can just keep their horrible practices going.
Re:Did we lose our way in making efficient software? – ~30 M... by wredue on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @09:40PM (#40218601)
It’s a warning once that stops happening when you approve it. It’s not a big deal. Also happens on windows.
Re:Did we lose our way in making efficient software? – ~30 M... by fingerlocks on Monday April 29, 2024 @12:02AM (#40194279)
Yeah, the only actual hurdle from Apple is the measly 8 bucks a month for a developer account. I would happily pay ten times that amount just to avoid the node_modules dumpster fire
Re:Did we lose our way in making efficient software? – ~30 M... by worthless-trash on Monday April 29, 2024 @12:50AM (#40194570)
And the hardware around it, that needs to be updated and managed.
Re:Did we lose our way in making efficient software? – ~30 M... by hoseja on Monday April 29, 2024 @02:59AM (#40195346)
People aren't ignoring Apple hard enough. Why americans bother with it is way beyond me.
Re:Did we lose our way in making efficient software? – ~30 M... by Nevermark on Monday April 29, 2024 @04:16AM (#40195844)
I find it inexplicable when people respond to a particular problem with a suggestion on which large platform/ecosystem someone should use instead, or avoid.

Switching ecosystems isn't that trivial.

Platform choices are dependent on numerous complex product groups, content and tool investments, integrated technologies, network effects between people, between companies, ongoing financial commitments, on and on.

As for developers, they often need to be on the top 2-3 platforms to be a serious choice for customers.

Nobody (sensible) is going to switch platforms over a single issue. Or when the person giving advice has no deep knowledge of who they are giving it to.

It is just not helpful advice.

Re:Did we lose our way in making efficient software? – ~30 M... by vilunov on Monday April 29, 2024 @09:29AM (#40198086)
I'd go further and state that "ecosystems" are evil as they erode competition. It should be easy to change products independently of each other, e.g. I should be free to choose between Apple iCloud or Google Photos for storing my photo library. Instead I'm forced to experience what you already mentioned: integration preferences on different platforms, network effects and so on.

Only direct product properties should drive users' choices, everything else just raises the market entry barrier for potential competitors.

Re:Did we lose our way in making efficient software? – ~30 M... by JohnFen on Monday April 29, 2024 @11:33AM (#40199647)
"Ecosystems" certainly are a real problem, although I think calling them "evil" is a bit far. What they are is a way for companies to create an artificial moat, and artificial moats are very bad things.