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Re:Google lays off its Python team by nineplay on Friday April 26, 2024 @12:35PM (#40171373)
> It's almost like capitalism isn't actually good and you shouldn't want to live in the US

Strong words from a FAANG employee. Does he think there's another economic system which would give him the same extraordinary compensation package?

Re:Google lays off its Python team by hnfong on Friday April 26, 2024 @12:57PM (#40171673)
The context is sparse, but it looks like Google laid off the Python team based in the US. The poster was not in US, so maybe that's why they're not laid off.

The quote you mentioned was a sarcastic comment on the US-specific layoffs, presumably.

Re:Google lays off its Python team by LeafItAlone on Friday April 26, 2024 @12:42PM (#40171455)
The poster lives in NL so not sure what to make of these statements.
Re:Google lays off its Python team by jsiepkes on Friday April 26, 2024 @03:19PM (#40172977)
The name may be Dutch but are you sure he lives there? Apparently (according to one of his own comments) the new team is located in Munich.
Re:Google lays off its Python team by LeafItAlone on Friday April 26, 2024 @05:18PM (#40174423)
One of the posts has

> as do I, in .nl

Re:Google lays off its Python team by fargle on Friday April 26, 2024 @01:29PM (#40171981)
agree. i can tell it was a bad day for the author and it sucks. but it's irritating to sit there and blame the exact system and company that gave him the exceptional job and pay in the first place.

everyone who works in FAANG, if you are drawing an enormous salary and bonus, compared to the average guy, i hope you realize the how fortunate you are. i hope you are putting away, saving, investing, at least 1/3 or 1/2 of it. when and if this happens after a few years, unlike the average guy, you can simply choose to retire or take some time off and travel rather than the normal option of loosing your home and being completely ruined.

Re:Google lays off its Python team by zem on Friday April 26, 2024 @02:21PM (#40172518)
some of us are on work visas, so "take some time off" would also mean "wind up your current life and leave the country"
Re:Google lays off its Python team by fuzzfactor on Friday April 26, 2024 @05:22PM (#40174458)
>"wind up your current life and leave the country"

Isn't that what so many people do in their own country in order to come to the US on a work visa to begin with?

Re:Google lays off its Python team by zem on Friday April 26, 2024 @06:41PM (#40175112)
yes, and trust me, it makes a big difference when it's voluntary and you are in full control the time frame.
Re:Google lays off its Python team by fargle on Friday April 26, 2024 @09:48PM (#40176365)
while i'm sympathetic, it still means you had a great deal going. if/when it ends you shouldn't get pissed off you got the opportunity in the first place - a visa isn't permanent.

to be clear - what i was reacting to was the author's idea that he should reject capitalism and/or start a trade union, after having been a very, very, lucky player of the capitalism game indeed. it pisses me off when people making N multiples of 6 figure incomes start forgetting how lucky they are and how much they personally benefited from that exact system. a laid off googler's worst day is many, many times better than the average guys daily life. in this country, let alone somewhere else.

Re:Google lays off its Python team by UncleMeat on Saturday April 27, 2024 @05:09PM (#40183571)
A visa is not permanent, but it might as well be for Indian and Chinese citizens. The green card lottery can easily take decades. You could have gone to college, got married, had kids, bought a house, and maybe even see your kids graduate college and have kids of their own before you get guaranteed residency in the US.

"Oh you should be happy you had a good thing going" is not something I'd find especially comforting if I was told I needed to rapidly uproot my entire life and leave a country I've spent decades in.

Re:Google lays off its Python team by zem on Saturday April 27, 2024 @05:54PM (#40183934)
thanks, glad someone understands! (i'm indian and stuck in just that situation)
Re:Google lays off its Python team by FreakLegion on Saturday April 27, 2024 @08:42PM (#40184921)
I have a bunch of open Python roles. Like, a could-hire-your-entire-team bunch. Which doesn't mean I can afford you! But happy to chat and see what's possible.

If you're physically within the U.S. (just a location, not a citizenship/green card restriction) feel free to reach out, contact info is in my profile.

Re:Google lays off its Python team by ytoawwhra92 on Sunday April 28, 2024 @11:27PM (#40194130)
> got married, had kids, bought a house

I lived in the US on a temporary visa and it's wild to me that people would put down roots in any country without a clear path to permanent residency.

When you read the conditions attached to your employer-sponsored non-immigrant visa it makes it pretty clear that you're not in the country to settle permanently, you're there to work for the duration of your visa and that's all.

Some people seem to ignore that and just trust that neither their employer nor the US government will screw them over.

Re:Google lays off its Python team by UncleMeat on Monday April 29, 2024 @08:42PM (#40206050)
A good friend of mine is Indian and also gay. Moving back to India and having a happy life with equal rights isn't on the table.
Re:Google lays off its Python team by ytoawwhra92 on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @04:09AM (#40208410)
Sorry to hear that.

There are lots of countries in the world that welcome gay people and have simpler, saner, and more predictable pathways to permanent residency than the USA.

Re:Google lays off its Python team by UncleMeat on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @08:07AM (#40210117)
And then we are back to "just leave your friends, family, and life."

This person moved to the US for undergrad, attended grad school, and has been working in the US for like a decade. That's 20 years here. Even if they were only here on H1b for two years, simply moving somewhere else would still be leaving the country they lived in for 12 years. You can surely understand why somebody would be motivated not to do this.

Re:Google lays off its Python team by UncleMeat on Saturday April 27, 2024 @05:04PM (#40183537)
People who work at Google are indeed very fortunate. We are paid large sums of money. I feel like I've found a pot of gold and give significant portions of my income away to the less fortunate directly because I feel that so much of my pay is based on luck.

However, Google employees only capture a fraction of Google's profits. Google made twenty five billion dollars in profit in Q1. Annualized that is 100b. Google has 180,000 employees. That is 555,555 in profit per employee. If Google was really existing in service of its employees rather than its investors, as it would be in a socialist system, then I'd expect my pay to rise dramatically.

Re:Google lays off its Python team by jope12 on Saturday April 27, 2024 @08:19PM (#40184831)
>If Google was really existing in service of its employees rather than its investors

But then it wouldn't make that kind of profit.

Re:Google lays off its Python team by UncleMeat on Saturday April 27, 2024 @09:32PM (#40185221)
Why wouldn't it?
Re:Google lays off its Python team by kgwgk on Sunday April 28, 2024 @05:34PM (#40192215)
> If Google was really existing in service of its employees rather than its investors, as it would be in a socialist system

What socialist system is that where a company is run from the benefit of its employees?

Re:Google lays off its Python team by steve_s on Monday April 29, 2024 @04:37AM (#40195990)
No, you'd have to take all the profit of all the companies in the country and divide that by the number of citizens. That would be true socialism. Like a kibbutz in Israel. IMO it is as much utopia as 100% free market capitalism. Almost everywhere you have something in between, including in the US.
Re:Google lays off its Python team by cynicalsecurity on Friday April 26, 2024 @01:38PM (#40172086)
If not capitalism, the poster would have been kept like a slave in a Soviet sharashka forced to work for food while being regularly tortured and beaten by strong men in leather outfits. The guy is from the Netherlands, so maybe he is into it, I don't know.
Re:Google lays off its Python team by soganess on Friday April 26, 2024 @07:43PM (#40175548)
Ad hominem with just a tinge of that sweet sweet of latent homophobia? Why?

And that hypo... what exactly is the fear bringing all this on so viscerally... is a long defunct soviet union still the starring Freddy of folk's dreams?

Disclaimer: I grew up in the USSR, it stank big ups. I live in the USA, it also stinks big ups. Sometimes for similar and sometimes for different reasons. Let's hope Fukuyama was wrong and we'll eventually come up with something better.

Re:Google lays off its Python team by cynicalsecurity on Saturday April 27, 2024 @03:34PM (#40182741)
It's not homophobia, it's communism-o-phobia.

Soviet Union long defunct? Oh no, comrade, it's still lives strong in the head of many. It still kills people on industrial scale and it still threatens the whole world. It's nowhere near being defunct, there still a lot to do to help it rest in pieces for good.