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Re:Anti-municipal broadband budget amendment gets nixed in N... by bobthepanda on Monday April 22, 2024 @01:03AM (#40111529)
So having worked in the system before, one major headwind with NYC's operating costs is their buildings. The vast majority of schools are old, often dating back to prewar or immediate postwar period. As a general example, there is no plan to completely eliminate lead piping in NYC school buildings because it would cost too much money.

The school system spends a lot of money on inefficient heating, poor insulation, inefficient water fixtures, repairs etc. because there is no capital budget to replace schools or even these individual systems wholesale. Even finding a site to place a replacement school building is difficult in a city as crowded as New York and with NIMBYs; and then usually a new school isn't replacing buildings because all the buildings are over capacity, sometimes even 200% or 300% capacity with children in trailers on the playground and some lunch periods at 10am because there is no room in the cafeteria.

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One other thing is that NYC spends a lot of money doing things like extensive ESL education. In fact it is pretty rare for an NYC school to have zero ESL resources given the extensive immigration into NYC. This kind of remedial resource is generally not provided in a country like Japan, where only specific schools would have these kinds of resources.

Re:Anti-municipal broadband budget amendment gets nixed in N... by rayiner on Monday April 22, 2024 @07:53AM (#40113455)
You think other countries that spend much less on education don’t have to deal with inefficient and outdated school buildings?

And how much does ESL even cost? If it comes remotely near explaining why NYC needs three times as much money as Japan to do a worse job, that seems like a huge downside to immigration that nobody is talking about.

Re:Anti-municipal broadband budget amendment gets nixed in N... by ethbr1 on Monday April 22, 2024 @10:58AM (#40115034)
I'd be curious on the apples:apples comparison between NYC and Tokyo education costs.

On the one hand, Tokyo is much older than NYC.

On the other hand, the Japanese have a penchant for tearing down and rebuilding things (partially policy-driven).

Re:Anti-municipal broadband budget amendment gets nixed in N... by bobthepanda on Monday April 22, 2024 @05:59PM (#40122211)
Most of Tokyo was firebombed in WWII.
Re:Anti-municipal broadband budget amendment gets nixed in N... by ethbr1 on Monday April 22, 2024 @06:39PM (#40123371)
About 30%, including the urban core. [0]

But thankfully the war ended before it was completely destroyed, as it would have continued being hit otherwise.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo#Postwar_rec...

Re:Anti-municipal broadband budget amendment gets nixed in N... by bobthepanda on Monday April 22, 2024 @01:20PM (#40116517)
ESL is essentially a second staff on top of the normal staff. It’s not the only kind of support staff though; US schools mainline special needs children in regular schools because it leads to better educational outcomes and societal integration in the long run, whereas Japan usually separates most of these children into separate schools.

A lot of countries have significantly newer schools, because a lot of the physical building were destroyed like everything else during the wars, or most people moved into newly developed suburbs and new towns. NYC notably doesn’t includes its suburbs so its share of old buildings is a problem that suburban districts do not have.

Re:Anti-municipal broadband budget amendment gets nixed in N... by rayiner on Monday April 22, 2024 @09:33PM (#40127528)
> US schools mainline special needs children in regular schools because it leads to better educational outcomes and societal integration in the long run, whereas Japan usually separates most of these children into separate schools

If it delivers much worse results at much higher costs for everyone else, that seems like a terrible trade off.

Re:Anti-municipal broadband budget amendment gets nixed in N... by bobthepanda on Tuesday April 23, 2024 @01:48AM (#40128900)
this depends on if you think that the school system is more expensive than basically running an institutionalized welfare state for special needs people. The US dismantled these systems and then proceeded to enshrine these rights in the ADA.

Given that the US can barely handle the meager social security of those with work disability, it's hard to imagine that we could afford widespread, more expensive specialized institutions. And Japan is not exactly doing hot with spending given that they run a 263% debt to GDP ratio.

Re:Anti-municipal broadband budget amendment gets nixed in N... by rayiner on Tuesday April 23, 2024 @10:01AM (#40132091)
Does japan run an institutionalized welfare system for special needs people? I don’t believe that’s the case.

Japan has a different set of problems, but delivering efficient and cost effective, high quality education is something they get right. And insofar as special needs people are evenly distributed among various countries populations, we should be able to learn from what they do.

Re:Anti-municipal broadband budget amendment gets nixed in N... by xrd on Monday April 22, 2024 @11:01AM (#40115068)
Having lived in Japan, I recall monstrous class sizes of 40 or so, with only one kid that needed "Japanese as a second language" classes (that was me).

And, I live in Florida now, and the public schools here also have lunch at 10 am because they don't want to fund building a new cafeteria. It's real. But, we don't have "woke" problems anymore, I guess.

Re:Anti-municipal broadband budget amendment gets nixed in N... by rayiner on Tuesday April 23, 2024 @09:59AM (#40132069)
Japan has some of the best educational results in the world with huge class sizes and modest funding. If everyone speaking Japanese is part of how they achieve that, that suggests immigration is a bigger burden on our educational system than people appreciate.