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Re:Anti-municipal broadband budget amendment gets nixed in N... by Retric on Sunday April 21, 2024 @03:18PM (#40108387)
Intel fab construction is exactly the kind of corruption we’re talking about here. Trying to manipulate markets via subsidies is horrifically inefficient and thus a vast waste of taxpayer dollars.
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Re:Anti-municipal broadband budget amendment gets nixed in N... by CPLX on Sunday April 21, 2024 @03:32PM (#40108507)
This statement contains the unstated premise that efficiency is a higher goal than all other goals.
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Re:Anti-municipal broadband budget amendment gets nixed in N... by Retric on Sunday April 21, 2024 @05:26PM (#40109379)
No, it does not. It simply suggests it’s the general public that should be protected.

Bringing up inefficiency seems wrong because the goal is a subsidy not acting in the interest of the general public.

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Re:Anti-municipal broadband budget amendment gets nixed in N... by CPLX on Sunday April 21, 2024 @09:15PM (#40110695)
The goal is to ensure domestic production of physical goods intrinsic and essential to our way of life and other economic sectors.

That’s an extremely defensible policy goal.

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Re:Anti-municipal broadband budget amendment gets nixed in N... by Retric on Monday April 22, 2024 @12:21AM (#40111385)
The terrible efficiency due to high cost a minimal impact largely disproves that idea.

Politicians aren’t stupid, when your argument only works if you assume stupidity then you’re likely misunderstanding something.

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Re:Anti-municipal broadband budget amendment gets nixed in N... by CPLX on Monday April 22, 2024 @07:37AM (#40113326)
Huh? Either the chips we need are made on an island surrounded by Chinese warships, or they are made in Arizona. That’s what this is about. It’s not some abstract concept.
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Re:Anti-municipal broadband budget amendment gets nixed in N... by Retric on Monday April 22, 2024 @10:21AM (#40114656)
The US had several fabs before we decided to subsidize them.

We’re still going to still be importing chips after spending this money. So by your reasoning this is a failed initiative.

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Re:Anti-municipal broadband budget amendment gets nixed in N... by CPLX on Monday April 22, 2024 @12:48PM (#40116146)
France imports lots and lots of wine. You think their efforts to preserve a domestic wine industry are "failed"?
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Re:Anti-municipal broadband budget amendment gets nixed in N... by Retric on Monday April 22, 2024 @02:44PM (#40117445)
If the argument is about a “strategic resource” then it’s a failure when we need to import any type of chips.

Frankly if it’s pure protectionism then slap a Tariff on them.

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Re:Anti-municipal broadband budget amendment gets nixed in N... by ClumsyPilot on Sunday April 21, 2024 @07:39PM (#40110167)
> Intel fab construction is exactly the kind of corruption we’re talking about here.

It's good when we do it, it's bad when China does it

> Trying to manipulate markets via subsidies is horrifically inefficient

By what means should markets be manipulated?

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Re:Anti-municipal broadband budget amendment gets nixed in N... by Retric on Monday April 22, 2024 @12:21AM (#40111388)
Regulations, Research, or Taxes. In this case tariffs would be the obvious option as there’s no long term costs beyond the inherent inefficiencies of domestic production.
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