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Re:Bitcoin Block 840000 by emporas on Friday April 19, 2024 @08:58PM (#40093573)
Computer chips do not need to use energy useful to humans, BTC and also deep learning algos just to name a few.

Sam Altman should go to Saudis and plug GPUs directly as petroleum gets out of the ground, and then transfer the trained bits to any country he likes. Blockchain mining was a favorite for Icelanders who have in excess geothermal energy.

Energy is expensive or not cheap, only on places in the world in which it is not abundant. Factories of robots (see Jeff Bezos), or computers mining numbers, or computers training statistics can be located anywhere we like.

Also BTC is a blockchain, which support less than 1.000.000 tps, so not very useful.

As soon as we want to put identities on a blockchain, thousands of identities per person or even millions, legal agreements hundreds and thousands per person every day, property transactions in the magnitude of a grain of sand, millions of property transactions per person every day, then 2 transactions per second on the whole blockchain does not cut it.

Re:Bitcoin Block 840000 by yownie on Friday April 19, 2024 @10:14PM (#40094055)
>Blockchain mining was a favorite for Icelanders who have in excess geothermal energy.

Icelander here, our main power generation is from hydroelectric not geothermal, it's a common misconception.

Also most of the mining here has moved on to easier places like Sweden and Norway. And for cooling / humidity reasons not solely electrical prices.

It was also just foreign owned companies most Icelandic folk don't like it here (I think it makes good use of our remoteness and shit latency however)

Re:Bitcoin Block 840000 by emporas on Friday April 19, 2024 @11:04PM (#40094383)
Interesting, one question i had, was hydroelectric due to mountains/hills glaciation or in the sea like the UK. I googled it, it seems like the former.

Geothermal always seemed to me, it's a pretty difficult source of energy to extract for factories n stuff. Like, a factory can melt steel, but no one wants the ground he stands on to melt as well.

Hydroelectric is a much easier source to work with. Humans have used rivers as a source of energy for thousands of years.

Re:Bitcoin Block 840000 by cdchn on Friday April 19, 2024 @11:03PM (#40094378)
>Computer chips do not need to use energy useful to humans, BTC and also deep learning algos just to name a few. >Sam Altman should go to Saudis and plug GPUs directly as petroleum gets out of the ground

Hows that help carbon emissions?

Re:Bitcoin Block 840000 by emporas on Friday April 19, 2024 @11:11PM (#40094431)
It reduces it. Instead of taking a barrel of oil, moving it to a different place and burning 10% of it in the process, or even 20%, it can be easily be used right there use 20% less, and cheaper as well. No need for ships to be built, sailors to sail and so on. Less emissions, not zero but a reduction, and cheaper.

Just moving bits around seems like a lot easier, efficient and cheaper than moving physical stuff around.

Edit: bad calculation fix

Re:Bitcoin Block 840000 by cdchn on Saturday April 20, 2024 @12:08AM (#40094731)
So not "energy not useful to humans" its "a slight discount from information having lower shipping costs than fuel."
Re:Bitcoin Block 840000 by mplewis on Saturday April 20, 2024 @02:17AM (#40095235)
Most datacenters are not powered in a significant way by fuel shipped overseas from the Middle East.
Re:Bitcoin Block 840000 by MuffinFlavored on Friday April 19, 2024 @09:10PM (#40093660)
but but but layer 2s!