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Re:'Irresponsible' to ignore consciousness across animal wor... by Kim_Bruning on Friday April 19, 2024 @08:25PM (#40093330)
"Speaking to whether reptiles or fish experience pain"...

So vertabrates definitely have pain receptors. It stands to reason they experience pain, at the very least.

I wonder if there are still people who doubt this.

Re:'Irresponsible' to ignore consciousness across animal wor... by magnoliakobus on Friday April 19, 2024 @08:30PM (#40093374)
Absolutely there are. Many (or most) of the people who catch fish, pour coke onto the mortal wound they just created for their own leisure and toss them back into the water to die would confidently tell you fish are incapable of experiencing pain.
Re:'Irresponsible' to ignore consciousness across animal wor... by quesera on Friday April 19, 2024 @09:23PM (#40093730)
People pour coke onto fish? (Coca-cola I presume?) To what end?

I've fished. Never felt great about it. But most fish at the fresh water angler level can be caught and released without mortal wounds.

Re:'Irresponsible' to ignore consciousness across animal wor... by 000ooo000 on Friday April 19, 2024 @09:59PM (#40093954)
A quick google suggests they think it helps stop the bleeding..

It's hard to reconcile that you'd be willing to rip an animal from the sea to kill and eat it, or just for the fun of it, but also care about the animal though to conduct some insane little ritual of pouring soft drink on the wound you created to try and help it survive.

Re:'Irresponsible' to ignore consciousness across animal wor... by rpgwaiter on Saturday April 20, 2024 @12:29AM (#40094820)
Growing up I'd be forced to go fishing with my dad a lot. When we'd catch a fish that was the wrong species, he'd whip it against the side of the boat and watch it float off while laughing with his friends.

I doubt the knowledge of consciousness, pain, or any other harm caused by hunting or fishing would dissuade most that do it regularly (in my anecdotal experience)

Re:'Irresponsible' to ignore consciousness across animal wor... by brigade on Friday April 19, 2024 @08:37PM (#40093422)
"Experiencing pain" is more of a philosophical/religious question dating back to at least Cartesian dualism, rather than a question of whether pain receptors exist and induce a pain response.

And yeah, there are people even today that flatly deny that nonhuman animals have any form of subjective experience, even dogs.