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Re:USAF Test Pilot School, DARPA announce aerospace machine ... by alaintno on Thursday April 18, 2024 @10:47AM (#40076856)
This has a strong Macross Plus vibe. I'm not sure if it's good news, though.
Re:USAF Test Pilot School, DARPA announce aerospace machine ... by 14 on Thursday April 18, 2024 @11:11AM (#40077074)
I think it is good news. Wars of the future can be fought with machines and the country with the most resources will win.
Re:USAF Test Pilot School, DARPA announce aerospace machine ... by rcMgD2BwE72F on Thursday April 18, 2024 @11:20AM (#40077163)
>Wars of the future can be fought with machines and the country with the most resources will win.

These machines are built to do the most damage on the enemy and not just their machines. Once the robots are down, the winning party don't hold theirs back.

Guns and bombs can hit further than arrows so enemies keep fighting further from the front line, but the death toll keeps increasing.

>the country with the most resources will win.

With more and better machines, even more resources will be put into wars. More resources get wasted, more machines get destroyed and more people get to die.

Total wars is a product of industrial revolutions. It changes the units in the scale of wars, from thousands victims to dozens of millions. And these machines - however smart and accurate - always end up killing civilians en masse. Look at the sophistication of the Israeli weapon system, what happened to Gaza in the past few weeks and tell me how technology saves lives in wars? It it isn't even symmetric warfare!

I hope you get to watch this incredible visualization one day, if you haven't already: The Fallen of WWII – https://vimeo.com/128373915

Re:USAF Test Pilot School, DARPA announce aerospace machine ... by Aloisius on Thursday April 18, 2024 @12:20PM (#40077798)
> It changes the units in the scale of wars, from thousands victims to dozens of millions.

World population growth has more to do with this than anything else.

The area of china lost 40 million people, 70% of its population, during the Three Kingdom Wars - that’s on the order of 20% of the world’s population.

Re:USAF Test Pilot School, DARPA announce aerospace machine ... by vel0city on Thursday April 18, 2024 @11:40AM (#40077360)
How many lives were saved by almost all Iranian missiles and drones being shot down before they hit targets in population centers in Israel?
Re:USAF Test Pilot School, DARPA announce aerospace machine ... by fnordpiglet on Thursday April 18, 2024 @11:23AM (#40077192)
Except the machines will only fight each other as a defensive countermeasure. The goal will be extracting a political surrender by the government as always by which means terrorizing the populace and inflicting mass misery is the most effective means of pressuring the government. The armies purpose is to prevent that from happening, and as the armies disappear and it’s just metal on metal, the civilians become the ultimate target of the machines and much sharper in focus by the war planners.

Also it becomes easier to do things like sneak a kill bot drone into a city and release it as the ultimate asymmetric warfare aka terrorism. Your terror attacks no longer scale with your ability to train and insert fighters willing to die.

The truth of the matter is we already have the technology at the DIY level to do this, and it’s just a matter of time before AI kill bots become the standard of war.

Re:USAF Test Pilot School, DARPA announce aerospace machine ... by hollerith on Thursday April 18, 2024 @11:26AM (#40077226)
>The goal will be extracting a political surrender by the government . . . terrorizing the populace and inflicting mass misery is the most effective means of pressuring the government.

That didn't work on Germany or Japan in WWII. (Bombing had an effect, but the effect was mainly to degrade the enemy's ability to manufacture weapons, produce fuels and lubricants and move things around.)

Re:USAF Test Pilot School, DARPA announce aerospace machine ... by fnordpiglet on Thursday April 18, 2024 @11:52AM (#40077481)
Except for the two nuclear bombs dropped on cities?
Re:USAF Test Pilot School, DARPA announce aerospace machine ... by hollerith on Thursday April 18, 2024 @12:12PM (#40077706)
OK, but if the nukes are what persuaded Tokyo to surrender, it did so after Tokyo lost almost all of its warships and stopped having enough fuel for its warplanes and started having so much difficulty importing things by sea or by air that there was no hope at all of their continuing to run an industrial economy and would be lucky to manage to continue to feed most of their population.
Re:USAF Test Pilot School, DARPA announce aerospace machine ... by krapp on Thursday April 18, 2024 @11:17AM (#40077134)
You can't be naive enough to believe wars of the future will only involve machines fighting other machines.
Re:USAF Test Pilot School, DARPA announce aerospace machine ... by 14 on Thursday April 18, 2024 @07:45PM (#40081922)
No first the machine then once one country runs out of resources and machines they will either surrender or more machines will start bombing them until they do. Yes people will still die but think of Japan and nukes. It will be much the same. You will realize oh damn drones can come in and basically kill all day long and we ran out of drones to defend this. Guess we surrender or die. So yea people still die but first will be a resource war followed by a short lived hopeless defence. Technological superiority will allow one country to lose very little life as it will be fought from thousands of miles away.
Re:USAF Test Pilot School, DARPA announce aerospace machine ... by blueblimp on Thursday April 18, 2024 @01:50PM (#40078814)
Yep. Advanced military technology tends to favor countries with high GDP per capita, which are mostly liberal democracies.