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Re:ResearchAgent: Iterative Research Idea Generation Using LLMs by bigyikes on Monday April 15, 2024 @09:26PM (#40047489)
Ignoring the “spits out training data” bit which is at best misleading, it’s interesting that you use the word “abstract” here.

I recently followed Karpathy’s GPT-from-scratch tutorial and was fascinated with how clearly you could see the models improving.

With no training, the model spits out uniformly random text. With a bit of training, the model starts generating gibberish. With further training, the model starts recognizing simple character patterns, like putting a consonant after a vowel. Then it learns syllables, and then words, and then sentences. With enough training (and data and parameters, of course) you eventually yield a model like GPT-4 that can write better code than many programmers.

It’s not always that clear cut, but you can clearly observe it moving up the chain of abstraction as the training loss decreases.

What happens when you go even bigger than GPT-4? We have every reason to believe that the models will be able to think more abstractly.

Your “never gonna work” comment flies in the face of exponential curve we find ourselves on.

Re:ResearchAgent: Iterative Research Idea Generation Using LLMs by ethanwillis on Monday April 15, 2024 @09:41PM (#40047584)
If we keep extrapolating eventually GPT will be omniscient. I really can't think of any reason why that wouldn't be the case, given the exponential curve we find ourselves on.
Re:ResearchAgent: Iterative Research Idea Generation Using LLMs by esafak on Monday April 15, 2024 @10:08PM (#40047721)
How do you know you're not on a logistic curve?

Don't you think costs and the availability of training data might impose some constraints?

Re:ResearchAgent: Iterative Research Idea Generation Using LLMs by dragonwriter on Monday April 15, 2024 @10:41PM (#40047879)
With real world phenomena that have resource constraints anywhere, a good rule of thumb is: if it looks like an exponential curve, walks like an exponential curve, and quacks like an exponential curve, it’s definitely a logistic curve
Re:ResearchAgent: Iterative Research Idea Generation Using LLMs by HeatrayEnjoyer on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @11:26AM (#40053237)
The entire universe is training data.
Re:ResearchAgent: Iterative Research Idea Generation Using LLMs by esafak on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @01:21PM (#40054687)
It is, but we -- humans, and computers -- are limited in our ability to learn from it. We both learn more easily from structured data, like textbooks.
Re:ResearchAgent: Iterative Research Idea Generation Using LLMs by inference-lord on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:24PM (#40048081)
I think they're being factitious?
Re:ResearchAgent: Iterative Research Idea Generation Using LLMs by ethanwillis on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @03:08AM (#40049139)
I am. And I think it says a lot about the state of things that many people think I'm being completely serious.
Re:ResearchAgent: Iterative Research Idea Generation Using LLMs by fire_lake on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @01:15AM (#40048594)
This has the form of a religious belief.
Re:ResearchAgent: Iterative Research Idea Generation Using LLMs by mistermann on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @01:54AM (#40048764)
And also non-religious belief...paradoxical!