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Re:China Tells Telecom Carriers to Phase Out Foreign Chips i... by Tiktaalik on Friday April 12, 2024 @12:15PM (#40014563)
Seems like a signal that they see the trade consequences of invading Taiwan, and they're going to put things in motion such that they'll be prepared to be able to handle them.
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Re:China Tells Telecom Carriers to Phase Out Foreign Chips i... by 0x00_NULL on Friday April 12, 2024 @12:37PM (#40014848)
That’s a hilarious directive since their homegrown CPU is 900 MHz. They are on something like a 30nm die. There is just no way they can transition to those chips in modern devices. This sounds like exactly the sort of order that would come from Xi. He’s living in his information bubble and is excited to go to war.
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Re:China Tells Telecom Carriers to Phase Out Foreign Chips i... by ajb on Friday April 12, 2024 @12:53PM (#40015031)
No, they are not that far behind. You're thinking of Longsoon I guess, but they have a 7nm process at SMIC and Hisilicon designing ARM-based server processors on it[1]. Sure, ARM is western, but guess what, they have the IP anyway, as they required ARM to do business through a subsidiary in China.

China is serious about semiconductors. Hisilicon is competitive in many markets.

[1]https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/huaweis-new-...

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Re:China Tells Telecom Carriers to Phase Out Foreign Chips i... by causi on Friday April 12, 2024 @01:00PM (#40015128)
It's also a "so what" situation. If China's economy is severed from the rest of the world's, competitors can't take its market share. Being five or even ten years behind on chips is irrelevant when your consumers can't go elsewhere. What did people use their smartphones for ten years ago? Recording themselves and watching cat videos. What do they do now? You don't need 2nm chips to do anything except take market share from the company using 3nm chips. The F-22 Raptor uses an i960 processor from 1988.
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Re:China Tells Telecom Carriers to Phase Out Foreign Chips i... by vouwfietsman on Friday April 12, 2024 @01:26PM (#40015375)
yes but AI, simulations and supercomputer warfare
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Re:China Tells Telecom Carriers to Phase Out Foreign Chips i... by kkzz99 on Friday April 12, 2024 @02:36PM (#40016212)
China already has competing AI products that are used domestically.
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Re:China Tells Telecom Carriers to Phase Out Foreign Chips i... by fennecbutt on Saturday April 13, 2024 @11:23PM (#40028383)
As if China needs to worry about IP rights anyway.
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Re:China Tells Telecom Carriers to Phase Out Foreign Chips i... by tromp on Friday April 12, 2024 @12:55PM (#40015054)
They're down to 7nm albeit with low yield and questionable legalities [1].

[1] https://www.scmp.com/tech/big-tech/article/3256321/chinese-c...

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Re:China Tells Telecom Carriers to Phase Out Foreign Chips i... by nyokodo on Friday April 12, 2024 @12:58PM (#40015097)
> questionable legalities

"Questionable" is an interesting euphemism for massive IP theft over many years.

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Re:China Tells Telecom Carriers to Phase Out Foreign Chips i... by kkzz99 on Friday April 12, 2024 @02:30PM (#40016147)
Doing technology transfers and then crying about it is really bad manners.
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Re:China Tells Telecom Carriers to Phase Out Foreign Chips i... by go88faxme on Friday April 12, 2024 @10:21PM (#40019892)
If you read Sun Tzu, theft of info is warranted and morally right to do so. Read the spycraft section of Sun Tzu. US did the same with Sputnik. They path and legitimize the act decades ago.
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Re:China Tells Telecom Carriers to Phase Out Foreign Chips i... by lowenergyphoton on Friday April 12, 2024 @12:54PM (#40015050)
> Meanwhile, SMIC has increased its current 7 nm production capacity to make more Kirin chips and AI GPUs, said two people familiar with the matter.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/02/china-close-to-shipp...

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Re:China Tells Telecom Carriers to Phase Out Foreign Chips i... by jdietrich on Friday April 12, 2024 @01:10PM (#40015218)
Nope. Loongson is building on 14/12nm nodes and competing on performance with first-gen Ryzen and Coffee Lake. Zhaoxin is still on 16nm AFAIK, but they're matching modern architectures on IPC. CXMT is making LPDDR5 dies in meaningful quantities. Underestimate Chinese industry at your peril, particularly when they've got a blank cheque from the Party.
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Re:China Tells Telecom Carriers to Phase Out Foreign Chips i... by go88faxme on Friday April 12, 2024 @10:19PM (#40019879)
Do checkout Dxomark which smartphone has best camera. Do checkout how well Kunlun vs Gorrilla best. Do check the number of Mate 60 (hint iPhone sales dropped 20%). And maybe also check the cpu size. They have already rumours seeing actual 2-3nm in used in Huawei engineering sample unit. Even AI GPUs ES sample now floating if you have connections to get it (definitely better than Intel Arcs). I think you truly live in Joe info bubble. I have friends directly in Chinese semicon. You will see 4-5 years down the road, TSMC become irrelevant. Did you know now 90% worldwide mid tier and low tier chip dominated by Chinese made? Used to be TI and EU foundry during Obama time. You can do the research. Helps a lot if you are strong in read Chinese simplified characters sources.
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Re:China Tells Telecom Carriers to Phase Out Foreign Chips i... by amou234 on Friday April 12, 2024 @12:50PM (#40014991)
China is old [1] and broke [2]. It won't be able to afford to attack Taiwan - for reference, 1930s Japan and Germany had way more young people. Japan was also rich from its empire, while Germany transitioned away from gold standard to afford its wars. 2022 Russia thought the war would end in 3 days.

Also, as we see from Russia's invasion of Ukraine, drones and missiles are effective at taking out the world's second largest navy. Taiwan has very accurate and effective homegrown missiles [3]. China would need to amass a ton of ships which would be easily detected, staff them with only sons from families, and try to move them across a 100 mile straits while under the barrage of US/Japan/Taiwan missiles and drones.

Lastly, China is quickly transitioning to state run economy much like Soviet Union [3], which means innovations and growth will be gone forever, especially in tech industries.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd....

[2] https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/international/global/frugal... https://www.scmp.com/economy/economic-indicators/article/325...

[3] https://www.eurasiantimes.com/taiwan-smashes-chinese-warship...

[4] https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Markets/China-s-favored-sta...

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Re:China Tells Telecom Carriers to Phase Out Foreign Chips i... by lowenergyphoton on Friday April 12, 2024 @01:00PM (#40015115)
There's no way they invade Taiwan in a controlled manner, it's too easy to sink a navy over that distance. Sure they could do a long range bombardment but then there's nothing left to take.
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Re:China Tells Telecom Carriers to Phase Out Foreign Chips i... by causi on Friday April 12, 2024 @01:04PM (#40015169)
Sure they could do a long range bombardment but then there's nothing left to take.

This is irrelevant. Not because you're wrong, but because you're thinking of terms of what a rational, reasonable person would do. Taking Taiwan has about as much to do with helping China as the Iraq War had to do with avenging 9/11: nothing whatsoever. If China attacks Taiwan it will be for the sole reason that Xi Jinping has and is using it as a political tool to amass power. For that purpose it doesn't matter if Taiwan is a smoking crater by the end.

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Re:China Tells Telecom Carriers to Phase Out Foreign Chips i... by Qwertious on Friday April 12, 2024 @01:21PM (#40015331)
Taking Taiwan would be useful as a naval base. And to deny the US the ability to blockade the pacific ocean.
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Re:China Tells Telecom Carriers to Phase Out Foreign Chips i... by kelipso on Friday April 12, 2024 @03:15PM (#40016601)
Seriously. There's a reason US has military bases on islands down the whole east coast of China.
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Re:China Tells Telecom Carriers to Phase Out Foreign Chips i... by Simulacra on Friday April 12, 2024 @06:20PM (#40018266)
Taiwan is the only thing essentially protecting Japan.
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Re:China Tells Telecom Carriers to Phase Out Foreign Chips i... by hackerlight on Friday April 12, 2024 @01:23PM (#40015349)
Are you an expert on naval warfare?
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Re:China Tells Telecom Carriers to Phase Out Foreign Chips i... by foverzar on Saturday April 13, 2024 @04:13AM (#40021430)
It seems like an obvious response to sanctions and denying access to lithography equipment. Let's return back to the reality where China isn't presently invading Taiwan, but is a target of containment attempts.
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