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Re:Amazon owes $525M in cloud-storage patent fight, US jury ... by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Thursday April 11, 2024 @06:37AM (#40000664)
Universities are incentivized to research things that will score grant money.
Re:Amazon owes $525M in cloud-storage patent fight, US jury ... by jampekka on Thursday April 11, 2024 @07:08AM (#40000882)
Grant money is not profit.
Re:Amazon owes $525M in cloud-storage patent fight, US jury ... by matwood on Thursday April 11, 2024 @07:37AM (#40001061)
Yes, it's more like VC. But, the point is university research is not some magically altruistic thing. It is driven by grants either from the government or someone who made a lot of money.
Re:Amazon owes $525M in cloud-storage patent fight, US jury ... by jampekka on Thursday April 11, 2024 @08:06AM (#40001234)
University research is labor. Researchers get salary or stipend, usually relatively modest on the ridiculous white collar standards. Nobody gets rich from grants. Typical best case scenario for grant researchers is to stay employed. Tenured faculty don't get any money from the grants.

(Very) few do get rich by leeching publicly funded research for spin-off companies. High level admins can get relatively rich from obscene salaries, but they aren't the ones applying for the grants or doing the research.

Probably not altruistic, but not usually primarily for money either. If money is what you want, university is a very bad place for trying to get it. People do do things for other reasons than economic gain regardless of what the prevailing economics dogma and ideology claims.

Re:Amazon owes $525M in cloud-storage patent fight, US jury ... by badwolf on Thursday April 11, 2024 @11:52AM (#40003568)
Not directly, but if it can save a university from having to use their endowment or other funds for something they would probably already do anyway, is there fundamentally a difference?
Re:Amazon owes $525M in cloud-storage patent fight, US jury ... by jampekka on Thursday April 11, 2024 @12:08PM (#40003742)
Nobody gets access to the money privately. The grant is paid out in salaries for work instead of capital gains. There's no capital investment for the grant.

Of course grants are an economic incentive to do something. But not all economic incentives are profit.

Edit: To be clear, universities as such don't generally apply for research grants. Researchers in universities do, and for getting a grant they get the luxury of working for a salary for a few years, or getting somebody else to be paid for their work. Universities do take a cut (overheads) from the grants to nominally pay for infra and admin etc, but in reality a lot of it is spent on all kinds of non-related things like teaching and alumni dinners and chauffeurs for the provost.

Re:Amazon owes $525M in cloud-storage patent fight, US jury ... by bartonfink on Thursday April 11, 2024 @06:50AM (#40000755)
The existence of one incentive does not preclude other relevant incentives, for fuck's sake.