Way to miss the point, and please f off with your statements about me wanting to force people to do anything. What a shitty way to adress someone you disagree with. We do better here on HN, as a long term member I'm disappointed in your behavior.

If better options were available, people would choose those. When we don't make better options because people are stuck in a local optima of car culture, there is no change. My point was what I wrote: you can't make a comparison with less cars as if everything else in society would have remained equal. Of course there would be secondary effects to handle the fact that people would have to live and travel differently.

Please "f off" with your "dishonest" and "f off" statements.

You don't get to call people "dishonest", tell them to "f off", call them "shitty", then get pious and offended when someone takes exception to that.

> We do better here on HN, as a long term member I'm disappointed in your behavior.

You've been here since 2013. I've been using this account since 2010 so you can "f off" with that, too.

> If better options were available, people would choose those.

"Better" according to who? You?

If people can't get food, they start eating rats and shoe leather. It doesn't make it "better".

> I've been using this account since 2010 so you can "f off" with that, too.

The point was that I expected better from _you_, a long standing member here. But your response again shows I need to adjust that expectation.