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Re:Top Israeli spy chief exposes his true identity in online... by mlyle on Friday April 05, 2024 @10:22AM (#39942714)
> it's horrifying and categorically unethical to use them to decide who to kill.

Absolute statements are hard. I mean, I agree with the sentiment, but I can't get behind such a strong statement.

If you have a 10 person group deciding who to kill, and reduce their workload with AI so that the 10 person group can take more time double checking-- that's "using AI to decide who to kill" but probably improves outcomes.

The problem is, in practice, we know that people are just going to punt responsibility to the machine and shrug.

Re:Top Israeli spy chief exposes his true identity in online... by ethbr1 on Friday April 05, 2024 @10:27AM (#39942781)
The fundamental reality is that compressing decision timelines creates more effective military outcomes.

Everything else flows from that.

At a high-level, that decision compression will be an arms race between competitors for military advantage, where the argument to relax human-scale decisions will be "If we don't do it, we'll lose to someone who will."

You saw the same thing in the nuclear arms race, as launch-to-impact time compression (as technology advanced) eroded available human decision time.

Re:Top Israeli spy chief exposes his true identity in online... by mlyle on Friday April 05, 2024 @11:08AM (#39943342)
> The fundamental reality is that compressing decision timelines creates more effective military outcomes.

But popping off half-cocked often results in bad outcomes, so there's a tradeoff between decision quality and decision time.

In theory, having AI in the loop could improve both. In practice, I suspect you're right.

Re:Top Israeli spy chief exposes his true identity in online... by ethbr1 on Friday April 05, 2024 @11:36AM (#39943705)
Unfortunately, the negative impact of killing civilians currently seems to be... minimal.

And maybe always has been, internationally-speaking?

It would be nice to reform UN and supra-national rules of warfare in light of modern developments.

Even a "this is an acceptable ratio of civilian collateral deaths, above which constitutes a war crime" would be helpful for curtailing nation's baser urges.

Re:Top Israeli spy chief exposes his true identity in online... by mlyle on Friday April 05, 2024 @05:09PM (#39947253)
> And maybe always has been, internationally-speaking?

If I had to guess, it was even less. Now at least there can be media backlash.

> Even a "this is an acceptable ratio of civilian collateral deaths, above which constitutes a war crime" would be helpful for curtailing nation's baser urges.

Having some kind of metric would be nice. However, there are problems with it being too simple (your enemy has a say in how exposed their civilians are; and we'd hate to leave countries with less precision in their militaries without the ability to defend themselves).

Re:Top Israeli spy chief exposes his true identity in online... by throw7 on Friday April 05, 2024 @11:43AM (#39943808)
We will find the "evidence" to extract our pound of flesh. It was Curveball then, it happens to be "AI" now.
Re:Top Israeli spy chief exposes his true identity in online... by ClumsyPilot on Friday April 05, 2024 @11:10AM (#39943363)
> reduce their workload

If killing the right person is too much work then you shouldn’t be killing

Re:Top Israeli spy chief exposes his true identity in online... by passion__desire on Friday April 05, 2024 @02:42PM (#39945634)
US decided not to bomb Kyoto in WW2 because Henry Kissinger had visited it and was enthralled by its beauty. Somehow such decisions are ok because made by a human?
Re:Top Israeli spy chief exposes his true identity in online... by passion__desire on Friday April 05, 2024 @04:59PM (#39947140)
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-33755182

Some historians say US Secretary for War Henry Stimson had a personal reason for sparing Kyoto. (edit : wrong Henry)