Re:'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing spr...
by cad31 on Thursday April 04, 2024 @04:11AM
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“Israel seems to trying much harder to avoid civilian casualties than” how? Their intelligence are doing 20 second of vetting on people some database spits out. They have no idea if the people they are killing are civilians.
Re:'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing spr...
by elygre on Thursday April 04, 2024 @04:48AM
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20 seconds "to make sure the Lavender-marked target is male". And then "for every junior Hamas operative that Lavender marked, it was permissible to kill up to 15 or 20 civilians".
Re:'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing spr...
by stephen_g on Thursday April 04, 2024 @01:15AM
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There seems to be little evidence to your statement “Israel seems to trying much harder to avoid civilian casualties than […]”. All estimates I have seen seem to indicate astonishing rates of civilian casualties, hence why Israel is getting so much criticism of basically indiscriminate killing in Gaza…
Re:'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing spr...
by SZJX on Thursday April 04, 2024 @02:40AM
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Even though you may not be necessarily wrong on how little regard those armies in those previous wars (and indeed all warring parties in those wars to some extent) had for the civilian population, the situation is Gaza is made so much more drastic because there’s already nowhere for the (already displaced for decades) population to go amid all this assault and bombing (not to mention the widespread starving and all those other factors, which combined led to the “genocide” claim levied by some). That’s also a reason why all western countries are trying to dissuade Israel from the Rafat assault.
Also, we have the idea that human beings are supposed to learn from those previous tragedies and do better, and that we’re in a much more civilized, peaceful and prosperous place than before, so it’s likely a disillusion and horror for a lot of people to see such a nightmarish scenario unfolding again in 2023. Some intrinsic parts about human nature and human societies will never change unfortunately.
Even in civilian life in the west, the police can try and kill a hostage-taker, and the result may be injury to the hostage, that's not the same as trying to kill the hostage. And Israel seems to trying much harder to avoid civilian casualties than, say, the United States in Iraq or Afghanistan, the Chinese Red Army during the Chinese civil war, the US or UK in WW2, Iran or Iraq when they were fighting each other, and compared to the Saudis in Yemen. And there is pretty clear evidence that Hamas does target non-combatants, AND Hamas is responsible for removing the protective shield that should apply to hospitals etc by using them as military assets.
And the document itself also says it does not define the law: "the interpretive Guidance is not and cannot be a text of a legally binding nature. only state agreements (treaties) or state practice followed out of a sense of legal obligation on a certain issue (custom) can produce binding law. "