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Re:Terraform makes carbon neutral natural gas by outworlder on Wednesday April 03, 2024 @08:08PM (#39924972)
> why not just use hydrogen directly and skip the inefficiency and cost of direct air capture of CO2 and of making methane?

Because hydrogen sucks. Specifically, storing it sucks.

You'll either compress or liquefy. That costs energy. It leaks and embrittles containers. One of the best ways of storing it in a stable manner is to combine with carbon atoms. Voila, natural gas.

Re:Terraform makes carbon neutral natural gas by pfdietz on Wednesday April 03, 2024 @09:09PM (#39925410)
You repeat some of the anti-hydrogen memes. Hydrogen is actually quite storable, certainly much more easily stored than energy in batteries. The cost of underground storage caverns for hydrogen is two orders of magnitude cheaper than the cost of batteries storing the same energy.
Re:Terraform makes carbon neutral natural gas by aldonius on Wednesday April 03, 2024 @09:45PM (#39925656)
That's great, but how do I take one of these underground caverns around with me? :P

More seriously, I'm sure hydrogen will make a valuable contribution to the stationary grid-level energy storage situation. I'm not convinced about other applications.

Re:Terraform makes carbon neutral natural gas by pfdietz on Thursday April 04, 2024 @04:21AM (#39927788)
You don't, just as you don't take massive takes of compressed methane around with you (I know about CNG cars; they're not competitive with BEVs or liquid fueled cars.) Methane and hydrogen are competing in stationary applications.
Re:Terraform makes carbon neutral natural gas by woeirua on Wednesday April 03, 2024 @10:52PM (#39926049)
Guess what the cost of an underground storage cavity is for natural gas? Very cheap, because they're everywhere.
Re:Terraform makes carbon neutral natural gas by pfdietz on Thursday April 04, 2024 @04:22AM (#39927794)
Yes, but hydrogen has the advantage of not requiring CO2 to either be acquired or recovered.