Terraform makes carbon neutral natural gas

Re:Terraform makes carbon neutral natural gas by pfdietz on Wednesday April 03, 2024 @04:30PM (#39922681)

The cost of natural gas on the Henry Hub is somewhere around $300/ton. A ton of natural gas requires 2.75 tons of CO2, so the cost of CO2 capture has to be well below $110/ton (and that ignores the cost of the hydrogen and the equipment for doing the methane synthesis.)

They must be assuming large increases in natural gas prices or large CO2 taxes.

I think it will be much easier to get the price/BTU of H2 down below the current price of natural gas than it would be to get synthetic methane down that cheap.

(If they are assuming large CO2 taxes then it's probably a better business model to just collect CO2 from the air and sequester it.)

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Re:Terraform makes carbon neutral natural gas by riku_iki on Wednesday April 03, 2024 @04:47PM (#39922894)

> so the cost of CO2 capture has to be well below $110/ton

they say $250/t in the article, but could you expand how you came to "A ton of natural gas requires 2.75 tons of CO2"? Where 1.75t of CO2 is disappearing in result?

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Re:Terraform makes carbon neutral natural gas by pfdietz on Wednesday April 03, 2024 @04:49PM (#39922911)

Molecular weight of methane (CH4): 16

Molecular weight of CO2: 44

One molecule of CO2 is needed to get the carbon atom to make one molecule of methane.

44/16 = 2.75

The 1.75t of CO2 that went missing is the oxygen, which obviously isn't in the methane.

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Re:Terraform makes carbon neutral natural gas by riku_iki on Wednesday April 03, 2024 @05:05PM (#39923130)

Thank you, I am an idiot in chemistry )

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Re:Terraform makes carbon neutral natural gas by aaronblohowiak on Wednesday April 03, 2024 @09:28PM (#39925552)

I went to double-check your math and I don't see $300/ton on Henry hub.. the units are a little weird as it looks like the price is per million btu which is... 50 pounds? of lng, so to get the per-ton price we take the Henry hub price and multiply by 40 (2000 pounds per ton divided by 50 pounds per million btu)? with a 52-week high of 3.63, this would get to $177 per ton, which seems short of your $300/ton? Anyway, I ask because id love to learn where I went wrong with the math (my result makes your point stronger, not contradicts it...)

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Re:Terraform makes carbon neutral natural gas by pfdietz on Thursday April 04, 2024 @04:18AM (#39927770)

I think you're closer to right. I started with a wrong figure that I didn't double check. Thanks for catching the error.

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