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Re:Century-Old Stone "Tsunami Stones" Dot Japan's Coastline by mantas on Monday April 01, 2024 @10:43AM (#39894660)
Looking at drama around Ukraine war, it’s already lost.
Re:Century-Old Stone "Tsunami Stones" Dot Japan's Coastline by ekanes on Monday April 01, 2024 @10:46AM (#39894690)
I see the opposite. A nation state aggressively attempted to take over another, and the world reacted swiftly and largely in unison. The lesson seems learned, at least for now. If the lesson had been lost, everyone would have done nothing.
Re:Century-Old Stone "Tsunami Stones" Dot Japan's Coastline by BurningFrog on Monday April 01, 2024 @11:22AM (#39895101)
The NATO countries reacted in unison.

The rest of the world cares as much as we do about the wars in Africa.

Re:Century-Old Stone "Tsunami Stones" Dot Japan's Coastline by mantas on Tuesday April 02, 2024 @06:14AM (#39904059)
Eh. Some countries (totally not pointing at Germany) fall out of that unison repeatedly.
Re:Century-Old Stone "Tsunami Stones" Dot Japan's Coastline by jewayne on Monday April 01, 2024 @11:22AM (#39895098)
Except half of Americans are rooting for Putin.
Re:Century-Old Stone "Tsunami Stones" Dot Japan's Coastline by Nevermark on Monday April 01, 2024 @11:30AM (#39895194)
> Except half of Americans are rooting for Putin.

Both "half" and "rooting" are exaggerations. No need for that. But yes, a depressing number of one party's politicians are willing to use Ukraine foreign policy as a domestic division issue.

Re:Century-Old Stone "Tsunami Stones" Dot Japan's Coastline by jstanley on Monday April 01, 2024 @01:16PM (#39896491)
Doesn't it take 2 sides to make something a division issue?
Re:Century-Old Stone "Tsunami Stones" Dot Japan's Coastline by jewayne on Monday April 01, 2024 @02:53PM (#39897707)
Your mom milks babies for their blood.

Now, don't go and make this a division issue by disagreeing with me.

Re:Century-Old Stone "Tsunami Stones" Dot Japan's Coastline by Nevermark on Monday April 01, 2024 @05:27PM (#39899582)
Do you also think it takes two sides to start a war?

What on Earth was Ukraine thinking of by taking Russia's bait and getting involved in its own invasion!

/light humor

Re:Century-Old Stone "Tsunami Stones" Dot Japan's Coastline by jewayne on Monday April 01, 2024 @02:51PM (#39897684)
I do not feel that is an exaggeration whatsoever. About half of Americans would prefer to see Russia win the war. I think I'm getting downvoted for speaking the plain truth.
Re:Century-Old Stone "Tsunami Stones" Dot Japan's Coastline by Terr_ on Monday April 01, 2024 @03:43PM (#39898291)
> About half of Americans would prefer to see Russia win the war.

My brother in pro-democracy, you are literally exaggerating right now. If half the US adult population people really wanted Russia to conquer Ukraine, you would be able to easily cite polls showing it in rather stark terms.

Yes, it's definitely become a red/blue partisan issue, and yes, Republican "leadership" needs to be raked over the coals for their extended support for the Emperor's New Clothes, and yes, if Russia won they'd probably make up a bunch of "this is fine" nonsense... However!--Even if you assumed every single person of any party who thought "the US gives too much aid" was actually a crypto-Putinist hiding their dark desires for an outright Russian victory... Well, that's still only 37%. [0]

That far-reaching assumption almost certainly wrong through, especially since general sentiment toward Russia has almost hit rock-bottom. [1] That's why nobody even bothers polling for "which country would your rather see win."

[0] https://apnews.com/article/poll-ukraine-aid-congress-b772c97...

[1] https://news.gallup.com/poll/1642/russia.aspx

Re:Century-Old Stone "Tsunami Stones" Dot Japan's Coastline by weberer on Tuesday April 02, 2024 @05:08AM (#39903704)
>I do not feel that is an exaggeration whatsoever

That's the problem. Now lets see how the facts compare to your feelings.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/03/15/public-expre...

>More than eight-in-ten Democrats and Democratic leaners (88%) and Republicans and Republican leaners (85%) favor keeping strict economic sanctions on Russia. And at least six-in-ten in each party strongly favor maintaining strict sanctions (68% of Democrats, 61% of Republicans). Chart shows Democrats much more supportive of admitting Ukrainian refugees to the U.S. than are Republicans

>Similar shares of Republicans (75%) and Democrats (81%) favor keeping a large military presence in NATO countries located near Ukraine. And there is limited support among both Republicans and Democrats for taking military action, even if it risks a nuclear conflict with Russia: About a third of the public (35%) and nearly identical shares of Democrats (35%) and Republicans (36%) favor this.

This took less than 30 seconds to look up, btw.

Re:Century-Old Stone "Tsunami Stones" Dot Japan's Coastline by zdragnar on Monday April 01, 2024 @01:59PM (#39897049)
> the world reacted swiftly and largely in unison

The western world. Don't forget that the early economic sanctions were largely ignored by the BRICS countries, which make up ~45% of the world's population.

Re:Century-Old Stone "Tsunami Stones" Dot Japan's Coastline by mantas on Tuesday April 02, 2024 @06:13AM (#39904046)
The world reacted swiftly... And then the war continued. Had West reacted swiftly with it's shear power, the war would have ended 2 years ago. But it's still going on. And situation is getting dire for Ukraine. Too little ammo is supplied. New options of guns are approved too late. West could have helped to close airspace at least in West Ukraine, but that's not happening either. All sorts of sanctions are repeatedly broken with the help of „global south“ and our own greedy corrupted actors.

The only lesson here is (core)West cannot be trusted and you're on it's own. At least this is the lesson I learned living 30km from (pseudo)Russia border.