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Re:Notes on debugging HotSpot's JIT compilation by thfuran on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @07:48AM (#39826683)
None of that is behavior according to the java (or any sane) language specification, so it can be optimized out of existence.
Re:Notes on debugging HotSpot's JIT compilation by hardware2win on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @07:56AM (#39826735)
It is written in other, more general "specification" called physics

Computers arent purely abstract, they exist in real world and are affected by it, so lets do not try to pretend otherwise

Re:Notes on debugging HotSpot's JIT compilation by lpapez on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @08:27AM (#39826998)
Yet the compiler writers care only about the language spec, and you can bet that failing to optimize this as dead code would be considered a compiler bug.

This goes not only for Java compiler, but many other languages as well.

Re:Notes on debugging HotSpot's JIT compilation by hardware2win on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @08:43AM (#39827134)
Sometimes compiler engineers try to be too smart and they end up creating a mess :)

https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=8537

>When optimizing code for "dead store removal" the optimizing compiler may remove code necessary for security.

Re:Notes on debugging HotSpot's JIT compilation by guappa on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @10:10AM (#39828038)
I'm going to point out that the bug is marked " RESOLVED INVALID "
Re:Notes on debugging HotSpot's JIT compilation by hardware2win on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @10:31AM (#39828359)
Political thing, but bug created by removal is real :)
Re:Notes on debugging HotSpot's JIT compilation by planede on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @11:30AM (#39829150)
The bug is real, but it isn't the compiler's.
Re:Notes on debugging HotSpot's JIT compilation by guappa on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @02:02PM (#39830857)
Well you posted the link… next time at least try to post one that supports your idea instead of the opposite.
Re:Notes on debugging HotSpot's JIT compilation by thfuran on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @08:48AM (#39827182)
What exactly do you expect an optimizing compiler to do?
Re:Notes on debugging HotSpot's JIT compilation by hardware2win on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @09:21AM (#39827488)
Leave code without obvious side effects alone (this is different from dead code)
Re:Notes on debugging HotSpot's JIT compilation by thfuran on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @10:36AM (#39828438)
But this is code obviously without side effect.
Re:Notes on debugging HotSpot's JIT compilation by hardware2win on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @11:02AM (#39828806)
There are side effects, but in real world, not abstract
Re:Notes on debugging HotSpot's JIT compilation by dkersten on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @02:50PM (#39831423)
So non-obvious side effects?

You can say that about any code at all, so no optimising would ever be possible. The program running faster is a side effect after all.

Re:Notes on debugging HotSpot's JIT compilation by thfuran on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @02:01PM (#39842495)
No, that code has no side effects. The implementation is free to produce whatever side effects it wants or needs as part of execution, but that is absolutely none of the compiler's business.
Re:Notes on debugging HotSpot's JIT compilation by dzaima on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @08:53PM (#39834592)
What would "leave alone" even be? There's no "default" state of performance of Java code; it would be ridiculously stupid for there to be something saying that, say, "a+b" for int type values has to take at least 1 nanosecond or something. And you can't use big O complexity here either - the int type has a maximum of 2 billion, and thus a loop over it is trivially O(1), just with a potentially-big constant factor. (or, alternatively, the loop was sped up by a constant factor of 2 billion, and optimizing compilers should extremely obviously be allowed to optimize code by a constant factor)
Re:Notes on debugging HotSpot's JIT compilation by funcDropShadow on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @09:48AM (#39827773)
So according to that "specification" no optimization is allowed. Since that would almost always change the "heating behavior" of code. Therefore, it is absurd.
Re:Notes on debugging HotSpot's JIT compilation by thfuran on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @09:55AM (#39827855)
None at all, even out of order execution. For that matter, executing the same code on different hardware is right out. Every program must be implemented on single-purpose hardware, and you can't even manufacture two of them.