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Re:Publishers secure widespread support in copyright battle ... by AnthonyMouse on Monday March 25, 2024 @11:23PM (#39824001)
> IA has created a vast unauthorized online database of literary works that anyone in the world can access for free

As opposed to an ordinary library, which... wait.

> Further, creators and their publishers will find it more challenging, if not impossible, to bring older titles back into print, whether in physical or electronic form, if they must compete with free Open Library-generated ebooks from IA.

But why does that matter? It's neither providing an incentive to create new works nor making older works available that wouldn't have been, since IA doing so is literally the thing they're complaining about.

> generates royalties for creators under the public lending right recognized by most other developed countries.

This is basically an argument that it can't be fair use in the US if it isn't in some other country, because otherwise people in the other country could get it from the US. That seems like a stretch.

Especially since it falls to the opposite problem: If we're considering laws in other countries then there will be at least one where there is nothing illegal about what IA is doing. At which point someone is going to do it, and what does it matter to anyone which country they're operating from when the internet is accessible everywhere?

Re:Publishers secure widespread support in copyright battle ... by didntcheck on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @05:23AM (#39825740)
Ordinary libraries can only lend as many copies as they have at a time, and eventually have to replace them (due to wear and tear or e-licensing conditions). In some countries the author also receives a dividend for every loan
Re:Publishers secure widespread support in copyright battle ... by coderatlarge on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @08:50AM (#39827199)
I definitely agree with the limit of only lending what IA bought - and their brief violation of that policy was wrong in my opinion. But that shouldn't be used as an excuse to enforce a completely separate regime on "digital books".

I was not aware of the dividend on every loan in other countries. If you can provide a reference to where and how much, that'd be quite interesting.

Re:Publishers secure widespread support in copyright battle ... by piltdownman on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @09:59AM (#39827897)
Under EU legislation, all 27 member states are obliged to have a scheme to remunerate authors for the lending out of their works by libraries.

Ireland has it in place under the provisions of our Public Lending Remuneration Scheme, which is currently capped at €200,000 per annum, paid at a rate of 4.39 cents per title borrowed in 2020. Payments to individual authors are capped at €1,000 with a minimum sum of €2. Authors receive an average payment of just under €32 per year for having their books borrowed from public libraries in Ireland.

Under the PLR scheme in the UK authors can receive a maximum annual payment of £6,600.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40345067.html

Re:Publishers secure widespread support in copyright battle ... by coderatlarge on Friday March 29, 2024 @09:39PM (#39871033)
Great to know, thanks.

I wonder how that compares with the fees US libraries are being for digital lending rights to publishers…

Re:Publishers secure widespread support in copyright battle ... by AnthonyMouse on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @02:56PM (#39843191)
> Ordinary libraries can only lend as many copies as they have at a time

This is the same as controlled digital lending.

> and eventually have to replace them (due to wear and tear or e-licensing conditions)

Physical books frequently last longer than copyright terms and it's not obvious why authors should be entitled to double dip just because someone spilled their coffee, i.e. it should be equally reasonable for a library to print their own physical replacement copy of a damaged book that they already own, because they already own it.