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Re:Why choose async/await over threads? by tsimionescu on Monday March 25, 2024 @04:01AM (#39813710)
That Rust needed async/await to be palatable to JS devs would only be a problem if we think async/await is not needed in Rust, because it is only useful to work around limitations of JS (single-threaded execution, in this case). If instead async/await is a good feature in its own right (even if not critical), then JS forcing Rust's hand would be at best an annoyance.

And the idea that async/await was only added to JS to work around its limitations is simply wrong. So the OP is overall wrong: async/await is not an example of someone taking something that only makes sense in one language and using it another language for familiarity.

Re:Why choose async/await over threads? by lelanthran on Monday March 25, 2024 @04:09AM (#39813765)
> So the OP is overall wrong: async/await is not an example of someone taking something that only makes sense in one language and using it another language for familiarity.

I don't really understand the counter argument here.

My reading of the argument[1] is that "Popularity amongst developers forced Rust devs hands in adding async". If this is the argument, then a counter argument of "It never (or only) made sense in the popular language (either)" is a non-sequitor.

IOW, if it wasn't added due to technical reasons (which is the original argument, IIRC), then explaining technical reasons for/against isn't a counter argument.

[1] i.e. Maybe I am reading it wrong?

Re:Why choose async/await over threads? by bsder on Monday March 25, 2024 @04:13AM (#39813784)
You are not reading it wrong, and your statements are accurate.

My broader point is that the possibility of there being a "technically better" construct was simply not in scope for Rust. In order for Rust to capture Javascript programmers, async/await was the only construct that could possibly be considered.

And, to be fair, it worked. Rust's growth has been almost completely on the back of network services programming.

Re:Why choose async/await over threads? by withoutboats3 on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @08:47AM (#39827166)
This comment is a lie.
Re:Why choose async/await over threads? by withoutboats3 on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @08:48AM (#39827184)
You are not reading the claim wrong, but the claim is a lie. We did not add async/await to Rust because it was popular but because it was the right solution for Rust. If you actually read my post that this liar linked to, you will find a detailed explanation of the technical history behind the decision.