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Re:Filling Nuclear Power's $5T Hole Is Beyond the Banks by bawolff on Sunday March 24, 2024 @12:11PM (#39808059)
I always feel like these sorts of sentiments are a bit reductive. Citizens benefit a lot from not being on the losing side of a war.
Re:Filling Nuclear Power's $5T Hole Is Beyond the Banks by vegabook on Sunday March 24, 2024 @12:17PM (#39808101)
They benefit even more by not serially starting wars all over the world in the first place.
Re:Filling Nuclear Power's $5T Hole Is Beyond the Banks by fabian2k on Sunday March 24, 2024 @12:19PM (#39808117)
Which wars did Europe start recently?
Re:Filling Nuclear Power's $5T Hole Is Beyond the Banks by irfwashere on Sunday March 24, 2024 @02:04PM (#39808945)
Libya and Afghanistan?
Re:Filling Nuclear Power's $5T Hole Is Beyond the Banks by mistrial9 on Sunday March 24, 2024 @12:18PM (#39808108)
do not discount the addictive qualities of endless budget. The same motivations are replayed again and again, with train loads of money attached, without ceasing over years. But the markets today have evolved -- budgets are used to purchase goods and services from companies.. that benefits the government that pays them, the immediate employees, and sometimes the general public.

There has never been a time with so many people, and so few wars, relatively speaking. Why increase budgets? Why operate at an increasing loss each year waiting for giant monetary rescue? The reasons are as old as human failing, and as obvious as poor systems design, sometimes. Its a thousand roller coasters running without synchronizing, it seems.

Re:Filling Nuclear Power's $5T Hole Is Beyond the Banks by bawolff on Sunday March 24, 2024 @12:30PM (#39808199)
I'm not saying that every single dollar spent on defense is a dollar well spent. There are tons of priorities that governments have to chose between. All i'm saying is that citizens of a particular country do get some benefits out of appropriate defense spending, depending on the geopolitical situation.
Re:Filling Nuclear Power's $5T Hole Is Beyond the Banks by smurfbox on Sunday March 24, 2024 @12:39PM (#39808271)
Here's a suggestion for Europe. Keep your promises. Since the Berlin wall fell the west promised to not move their positions beyond it. They did so anyway and went all the way to the point of inviting Ukraine to join. Fast forward to Minsk accords the Germans and French admitted they were never going to abide by those terms. So the Russians have nobody in Europe that they can even deal with, since they never keep their promises. Hollande and Merkel both admitted this publicly.

My suggestiom would be to demilitarize NATO and create a new security architecture that states if you come one step westbound we will nuke you (Russians). That will be enough to appease both sides and you'll save boatloads of money from being pilfered by the west's military industrial complex.

I hate that the Ukrainians have been used as pawns in a western gambit when they could have had literally the best of both worlds. Low energy prices from the east and European culture and influences from the west. But now because of the petulant children in power in Europe they can't have any semblance of a society anymore.

Re:Filling Nuclear Power's $5T Hole Is Beyond the Banks by fabian2k on Sunday March 24, 2024 @12:53PM (#39808373)
Russia invaded a sovereign country. They are the aggressors here, period. NATO didn't cause this war, Russia alone did that.
Re:Filling Nuclear Power's $5T Hole Is Beyond the Banks by irfwashere on Sunday March 24, 2024 @01:54PM (#39808875)
Clearly you are ignoring the history of the conflict and the desires of the Russians, and thereby the entire reason for the invasion. It was explained clearly many times prior to the invasion that they would go ahead and do so if you ignore their security concerns.

Remember when they put missiles in Cuba? We can't ignore their security concerns and pretend facts exist in a vacuum.

Re:Filling Nuclear Power's $5T Hole Is Beyond the Banks by fabian2k on Sunday March 24, 2024 @02:02PM (#39808936)
You are justifying an illegal war of aggression here.

Claiming some nebulous security concerns does not justify invading a sovereign nation. Ukraine did express their desire to join NATO, that is their right as a sovereign nation. Russia does not have a right to control what their neighbours do. Your argument is denying Ukrainian Sovereignty.

Nuclear weapons are a special case, which is why we have treaties today that limit certain types of them. Cuba is not a comparable case here at all.

Re:Filling Nuclear Power's $5T Hole Is Beyond the Banks by irfwashere on Sunday March 24, 2024 @02:17PM (#39809047)
Pretty sure their security concerns aren't nebulous. They only lost 27 million people. Not a big deal to you, maybe. But they will never forget and allow that to happen again. So yes, they are entitled to protecting themselves from that happening again.

If you want to pretend this is solely about abusing Ukrainian sovereignty then that's fine. The west was happy to abuse Ukrainian sovereignty in 2014 when their intelligence agencies helped overthrow their democratically elected government. So really your logic is just a ruse. The facts speak for themselves.

Re:Filling Nuclear Power's $5T Hole Is Beyond the Banks by LargoLasskhyfv on Sunday March 24, 2024 @06:52PM (#39811252)
Ahem! Remember "The Cuban Missile Crisis, also known as the October Crisis (Spanish: Crisis de Octubre) in Cuba, or the Caribbean Crisis (Russian: Карибский кризис, romanized: Karibskiy krizis), was a 13-day confrontation between the governments of the United States and the Soviet Union, when American deployments of nuclear missiles in Italy and Turkey were matched by Soviet deployments of nuclear missiles in Cuba." ?

Source: Amongst countless others https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis