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Re:Mixwit (YC W08) shuts down by patio11 on Sunday December 14, 2008 @10:08PM (#397935)
On another software making discussion forum I participate in, we have a saying: don't write software for people who don't pay money for software. I hope I'm not being totally uncouth in suggesting that variants of this remain good advice.
Re:Mixwit (YC W08) shuts down by jamiequint on Monday December 15, 2008 @05:44AM (#398222)
Nobody has to pay for B2C software directly as long as it is monetizeable. Charging users directly isn't the only way to make money.

In this case the music industry reduces the possible monetization options and limits prospects even further with threats of lawsuits. That is what the issue is here.

Re:Mixwit (YC W08) shuts down by webwright on Monday December 15, 2008 @12:53AM (#398079)
That would've been really bad advice for some people. There is a lot of successful B2C software out there.
Re:Mixwit (YC W08) shuts down by sown on Monday December 15, 2008 @01:52AM (#398118)
Devil's Advocate: iTunes made it compelling to buy a 99 cent track instead of downloading it for free. Surely there must be something to it?
Re:Mixwit (YC W08) shuts down by andr on Monday December 15, 2008 @02:20AM (#398138)
It wouldn't have worked if iTunes also let you download the music for free.
Re:Mixwit (YC W08) shuts down by sown on Monday December 15, 2008 @02:24AM (#398142)
True but a bit torrent client + google means that song is just a few clicks away.
Re:Mixwit (YC W08) shuts down by aaronblohowiak on Monday December 15, 2008 @05:11AM (#398212)
what are these pop-ups? where do i get a bitter rent client ? i type in the google my songs, but i get all these pages.. how do i download from google with the bitter rent client? okay, okay, i did what you told me. now, it says downloaded. where did it go? i have a downloads folder? i dont want it on my desktop so i deleted it. how do i get it on my ipod?

also, it is much faster / more convenient and reliable.

Re:Mixwit (YC W08) shuts down by sown on Monday December 15, 2008 @11:36AM (#398462)
OK, torrent client + thepiratebay/mininova/etc. I've never really had any problems with finding what I need, assuming it existed. It would seem some people do, though.
Re:Mixwit (YC W08) shuts down by lallysingh on Monday December 15, 2008 @08:54AM (#398317)
Agreed. I don't know if you can find it online anywhere, but Steve Jobs's pitch for exactly this argument was put together quite well.
Re:Mixwit (YC W08) shuts down by sown on Monday December 15, 2008 @11:38AM (#398466)
I guess I also have to put myself in the mindset of 2001/2002. Nowadays, I see less compelling reasons for iTunes over bittorrent.
Re:Mixwit (YC W08) shuts down by ericb on Sunday December 14, 2008 @10:40PM (#397968)
What is this other forum? Sounds promising.
Re:Mixwit (YC W08) shuts down by patio11 on Sunday December 14, 2008 @11:01PM (#398000)
The Joel on Software Business of Software forums. http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/?biz

Its mostly people with small* businesses selling B2C and/or B2B downloadable software, with some contractors and web app folks mixed in.

* For many definitions of "small", including "Oh heck I want to be small like he is small".