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Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by Drew_ on Thursday March 21, 2024 @09:10PM (#39786419)
No, his question makes perfect sense and your response doesn't really make any. End-to-end encryption doesn't imply encryption from one end of the universe to the other. It is what it says on the tin: encryption from one end to another. Your message is insecure beyond the the other end.

That is true both for PGP encrypted messages as well as iMessage messages. There's nothing on iPhones or Macs actually protecting your decrypted messages. Most of the on device security is optional and your messages, photos and files can be copied and shared anywhere in plain text.

Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by danaris on Friday March 22, 2024 @10:00AM (#39790850)
PGP makes no claims of being an "end-to-end encrypted service", because it's not a service. It's an end-user product. It doesn't have to "solve this" problem, because that's not what it's for.
Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by Drew_ on Friday March 22, 2024 @01:02PM (#39792659)
You keep saying "service" when no one asked anything about services.

The question in this thread is whether iMessage can offer secure interop. The answer is yes. They just need to use an open protocol and that protocol can use tools like PGP to encrypt messages end-to-end.

Your claim that both the sending and receiving application need to be "controlled" by some entity for it to have "real" end-to-end security is non-sense.

Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by danaris on Friday March 22, 2024 @03:07PM (#39793764)
The statement, from macintux, was "End to end encryption can only be guaranteed if you control both ends.".

The question, from tomrod, was "How does PGP solve this?"

Nothing to do with iMessage. I was answering a specific question on a tangent thread. If you want to argue with me about iMessage, go to one of the posts I've made about that on this article. This thread is about PGP.

Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by Drew_ on Friday March 22, 2024 @05:42PM (#39795155)
Well you sure know how to dodge being wrong I'll give you that. Even ignoring the thread context, your comments on end to end encryption and PGP are woefully misinformed so we can just leave it there.
Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by danaris on Friday March 22, 2024 @10:49PM (#39797006)
Ah, so now "not talking about what you wanted me to be talking about, because that wasn't the subject of this subthread" is "dodging being wrong."