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Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by rootusrootus on Thursday March 21, 2024 @06:09PM (#39785017)
> I find it amusing that in 2024 people in the US still talk about WhatsApp as a future step.

One person said that. Almost nobody I know has any interest in WhatsApp. The infatuation with putting all of your messaging into Facebook's hands is a European thing. What I don't understand at all is why Europeans think Facebook is superior to Apple.

> With WhatsApp, LINE, WeChat, Telegram etc. I think this is pretty much a solved problem in the rest of the world, really only the US is behind here.

I have a hard time believing that having multiple chat apps is any kind of solution to the problem. The nice thing about iMessage in the US is that it covers about 90% of everyone I talk to. Right out of the box, no asking what ecosystem someone else is using, it just works. And if I'm talking to someone who does not have iMessage ... it still just works, albeit with fewer features.

I heartily disagree that Europe or the rest of the world has a better system. Best would be if every phone from every manufacturer supported a modern protocol equivalent to iMessage or Google's proprietary RCS. Until then, iMessage in the US is the closest things to universal modern messaging.

Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by 00deadbeef on Thursday March 21, 2024 @08:19PM (#39786060)
WhatsApp took off in a big way in Europe before it was acquired by Meta.

Android is more popular in Europe than in the US. WhatsApp provided an early way of easy cross platform communication that was superior to SMS/MMS and didn't involve having to share new usernames or anything like that, it just relied on your existing mobile number.

Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by sevagh on Thursday March 21, 2024 @06:22PM (#39785152)
>The nice thing about iMessage in the US is that it covers about 90% of everyone I talk to.

You are literally the caricature the OP is railing against.

"How gullible are Americans that they think Apple invented messaging?"

two posts down

"I'm not gonna use Europoor trash, only iMessage or bust"

Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by rootusrootus on Friday March 22, 2024 @03:53PM (#39794166)
I've been using the Internet since the 80s, I've seen every possible incarnation of instant messaging. I have no illusions of Apple inventing messaging.

And it's pretty rude of you to resort to namecalling just because you disagree.

Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by nonseqshitter on Thursday March 21, 2024 @07:27PM (#39785661)
I don’t know if iMessage makes for an antitrust claim. But you are absolutely right: it covers the majority of my friends and family, and for folks that use Android everything still works well enough.

Why would I ever want 6 messaging apps instead of using the default?

Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by oulu2006 on Thursday March 21, 2024 @09:20PM (#39786481)
The rest of the world does WhatsApp, Australia/NZ/Southeast Asia/almost all of South America, it's massive.
Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by MetallicCloud on Thursday March 21, 2024 @11:15PM (#39787135)
As an Australian, is this true? Granted, I grew up rural in Victoria, but I don't know anyone who uses it.
Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by troad on Friday March 22, 2024 @05:54AM (#39788979)
It's definitely not true for Australia. WhatsApp use is marginal at best.
Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by vishnugupta on Friday March 22, 2024 @01:19AM (#39787672)
You can add India to the list. WhatsApp is so popular here that people talk of recharging WhatsApp when they actually mean paying their mobile internet bill.
Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by yterdy on Friday March 22, 2024 @11:16AM (#39791548)
Africa runs on WhatsApp (atleast, West Africa, Kenya, Uganda, Egypt, Tanzania...) IME.
Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by dimask on Friday March 22, 2024 @06:07AM (#39789065)
> What I don't understand at all is why Europeans think Facebook is superior to Apple.

It is not facebook vs apple, it is cross-platform vs platform specific (if you do not have an iphone imessage is not even a choice).

Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by rootusrootus on Friday March 22, 2024 @03:56PM (#39794192)
Sure, I understand the point, but I just don't think it's any kind of better solution. It's different, and has pros and cons. I don't want to install multiple apps just to have cross-platform compatibility. And I have that already with Apple's solution -- sure, iMessage itself is not compatible with Android, but I can still message people on Android phones without pre-arranging a platform to communicate on. Messaging works regardless, no matter who I'm talking to, it just works a little bit better if they happen to be on an iPhone.

To me that's the ideal solution, or at least the basis for one. Would I like everyone to have iMessage capabilities (or equivalent, like Google's proprietary RCS)? You bet. Let's try for that reality. Get Google to release their upgrades to RCS so everyone can use it, make that a standard, make every phone OS support it.

Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by JoeJonathan on Friday March 22, 2024 @05:11PM (#39794909)
Are people defending WhatsApp, or just saying its widely used? In the places I go, you use it for everything from contacting friends to messaging businesses to schedule appointments. It's unavoidable.
Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by tamirzb on Sunday March 24, 2024 @12:00PM (#39808011)
> it still just works, albeit with fewer features.

If it doesn't have features I rely on then I don't see how can I treat it as "it still just works".

> iMessage in the US is the closest things to universal modern messaging.

The key part here is "in the US". What if you want to message someone who is outside the US? To be honest I am not sure about carrier prices in the US, but I am sure the person on the other side of the conversation would get extremely high bills for international MMS messages. Personally I don't see how the words "universal solution" can apply to something that works well in only a single country in the entire world.