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Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by shuckles on Thursday March 21, 2024 @03:28PM (#39783272)
Apple uses their own technology to make their products better. That’s not a scandal. Their products aren’t the most dominant in streaming, maps, or payment. Most of the complaints are about what they aren’t doing (going out of their way to make proprietary features available to 3ps), not what they are doing (say: giving themselves special push notification permissions). So what influence are they exerting exactly? Why is it so pernicious?
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Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by Drew_ on Thursday March 21, 2024 @08:27PM (#39786139)
They're exerting the same influence that Google did over their Android partners. They created a faux-open market with arbitrary rules that ensure their products always win. Google lost their case because of this and Apple should too.
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Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by jonhohle on Thursday March 21, 2024 @09:46PM (#39786637)
Google lost their case because, among other things, they offered back room deals which favored a blessed few and were not available to all. E.g. you could not get the rate Spotify was getting charged for in app purchases (zero%).
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Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by Drew_ on Friday March 22, 2024 @07:22AM (#39789542)
You are correct and Apple is offering very similar back room deals in the App Store. It was revealed as such in their last suit.
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Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by shuckles on Friday March 22, 2024 @01:02AM (#39787612)
Did you miss the list of Apple products that were not winning earlier in the thread?
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Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by Drew_ on Friday March 22, 2024 @07:29AM (#39789591)
Do you think if any Apple product isn't "winning", suddenly their competition stifling rules and backroom deals don't exist anymore?
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Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by shuckles on Friday March 22, 2024 @09:31AM (#39790552)
I think the people who say the following should have to engage with the fact that its implication is obviously not true:

> They created a faux-open market with arbitrary rules that ensure their products always win.

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Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by Drew_ on Friday March 22, 2024 @01:04PM (#39792692)
Have fun toting around your goal post my friend.
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Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by cush on Friday March 22, 2024 @09:49AM (#39790756)
The article and linked 90 page document outline precise answers to your questions
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Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by shuckles on Friday March 22, 2024 @11:22PM (#39797146)
The DOJ's 90 page lawsuit is a lot of things, but precise or even factual it is not. For example, it doesn't even cite the selling price or terms of the original iPhone correctly (off by almost 2x) and invents vague terms like "the performance smartphone market."
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Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by cush on Monday March 25, 2024 @09:53AM (#39816306)
You didn’t ask “what was the price of the original iPhone”. Your questions were…

> So what influence are they exerting exactly? Why is it so pernicious?

Which are both answered in the document.

Almost the entire document is defining the performance smartphone market. It’s mentioned in the document 88 times. The definition isn’t “phones over $400” because it’s defined by the market forces that Apple creates - there’s a feedback loop

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