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Re:Electric car battery prices are going back down faster th... by m463 on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @09:58PM (#39774210)
I'm a little afraid "economies of scale" will turn into a steering wheel one or two pedals and an ipad, no other controls.
Re:Electric car battery prices are going back down faster th... by yaomtc on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @10:02PM (#39774227)
I really hope automakers don't start embracing touchscreens even more. Tactile feedback / muscle memory is important for safer operation. At least Mazda seems to get that[1], if only others would get over their minimalism obsession. Would embrace regulations requiring physical controls for most common tasks.

[1]: https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1121372_why-mazda-is-pur...

Re:Electric car battery prices are going back down faster th... by beached_whale on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @10:14PM (#39774273)
I want the year 2010 car experience with some of the EV benefits. So electric motor/battery/charging/steer and break by wire/classic dials for speed/classic climate control controls/classic signalling and lighting controls/... Maybe Carplay/Android Auto, but no tracking or operating controls that are touch screens. Also, a way to disable the display with a button.
Re:Electric car battery prices are going back down faster th... by pests on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @10:20PM (#39774305)
I don't think anything is brake by wire, even that Lexus has a failsafe mode that ultimately is a direct physical connection. No saving parts there yet.
Re:Electric car battery prices are going back down faster th... by ssl-3 on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @10:41PM (#39774430)
One-pedal mode exists on many EVs, wherein: A person can drive around (and come to a complete stop) without ever touching the brake pedal.

If that isn't brake by wire, then what is?

Re:Electric car battery prices are going back down faster th... by m463 on Thursday March 21, 2024 @12:14AM (#39774838)
that's assisted brakes.

<thing>-by-wire means there is a control with no physical connection to <thing>.

for example, older tesla cars can steer themselves, but the steering wheel still connects to the front wheels mechanically.

The newer cybertruck has a steer-by-wire. The wheels are turned side to side by motors, but the steering wheel is not mechanically hooked to it, it's just an electronic controller.

Re:Electric car battery prices are going back down faster th... by ssl-3 on Thursday March 21, 2024 @12:53PM (#39781146)
It sounds more like brake-by-wire alongside a regular brake pedal.
Re:Electric car battery prices are going back down faster th... by pests on Thursday March 21, 2024 @09:54PM (#39786691)
The one-pedal though is only a mechanical assistance to the existing connection between the brake pedal and the brake. Maybe we're splitting hairs, but its more akin to power steering.
Re:Electric car battery prices are going back down faster th... by ssl-3 on Friday March 22, 2024 @03:53AM (#39788323)
With [traditional] power-assisted steering, there is always a direct mechanical connection between the wheel and the steering box/rack. It's assisted, usually hydraulically, but it is not isolated by a wire; that direct mechanical connection is always there.

With [traditional] power-assisted brakes, there is always a direct connection between the pedal doing the braking and the wheel cylinders. It's assisted (usually, but not always, by vacuum), but that direct mechanical connection is always there.

With one-pedal driving that only uses exactly one pedal, there is never a direct mechanical connection between that singular pedal and the braking system. That connection is only electrical; there is no direct mechanical (or hydraulic, to split hairs) connection at all. It is entirely brake-by-wire, unless one chooses to place a foot on the brake pedal and thereby do something other than one-pedal driving.

Thus: Unless there's hydraulics connected to the accelerator pedal, then: As long as mechanical braking (pads-on-rotors friction) can be performed in one-pedal mode (and it can be), then one-pedal mode must perform braking-by-wire.

We're already there; people use brake-by-wire every day. (That we also have a functional hydraulic brake pedal as a backup does not mean that brake-by-wire is not a thing in one-pedal mode.)

Re:Electric car battery prices are going back down faster th... by vel0city on Thursday March 21, 2024 @12:33AM (#39774909)
My car has one pedal mode. It also has a regular brake pedal that will behave like a regular hydraulic brake, because it is.
Re:Electric car battery prices are going back down faster th... by pests on Thursday March 21, 2024 @12:44AM (#39774936)
Like the other commentor said, the brake is still connected to the brake pedal and the car mechanically assists for one-pedal mode. You can always still use the brake pedal even with any automation or assistance off.
Re:Electric car battery prices are going back down faster th... by beached_whale on Sunday March 24, 2024 @01:07AM (#39805271)
I was thinking of the regenerative and used the wrong words.