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Re:Intel is still top dog: ships 3x more CPUs than AMD and A... by bryanlarsen on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @02:34PM (#39770353)
Apple CPU's are well-implemented, wide and on a cutting edge process. That's why they're fast & efficient. In 2024 the architecture has approximately nothing to with it.
Re:Intel is still top dog: ships 3x more CPUs than AMD and A... by drcongo on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @07:03PM (#39773089)
I'm an idiot when it comes to chips, but the one thing I thought I knew was that ARM CPUs run considerably cooler and more efficient in terms of performance per watt, especially compared to Intel. Isn't that why they're in every mobile device?
Re:Intel is still top dog: ships 3x more CPUs than AMD and A... by bryanlarsen on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @08:10PM (#39773559)
It's historical. In the 80's when an extra 10,000 transistors for decode could be 20% of the chip, ARM had an efficiency advantage. So it got used in certain markets. Which meant chips were designed for that market. So because there were chips specifically designed for the market, they were used. Feedback loop, essentially.
Re:Intel is still top dog: ships 3x more CPUs than AMD and A... by ahartmetz on Thursday March 21, 2024 @12:06PM (#39780408)
Your explanation is great except for the beginning of the story: in the 80s and early 90s, CISC cores didn't have a CISC to RISC decoder frontend - they implemented complex instructions directly (though with the help of microcode). The size penalty of that was more like 300%, and it was slower, too(!). RISC was a really big deal at the time. It was even mentioned in the, ahem, documentary "Hackers" from 1995.
Re:Intel is still top dog: ships 3x more CPUs than AMD and A... by bryanlarsen on Thursday March 21, 2024 @12:49PM (#39781091)
A "CISC to RISC decoder" isn't properly a decoder, it's a translator. What they had in the 80's were proper decoders: instruction's in, enable and clock lines out.
Re:Intel is still top dog: ships 3x more CPUs than AMD and A... by ahartmetz on Thursday March 21, 2024 @01:09PM (#39781391)
I don't want to argue about that. My point is just that the size (transistor count) and performance differences were massive at the time, like 2-3x the performance at 1/4th or so of the size.
Re:Intel is still top dog: ships 3x more CPUs than AMD and A... by drcongo on Thursday March 21, 2024 @01:36PM (#39781787)
Thanks for the explanation!